Women please vote - Page 4

Flint · 10-26-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

I stand by my criticism of the article, specifically in regards to the poor choice of words.

Flint · 10-26-2006, 03:31 PM

"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?" Sheik Taj Aldin al-Hilali

Aliantha · 10-26-2006, 05:41 PM

Comments like these are exactly why date rape cases are not reported to police.

JayMcGee · 10-26-2006, 06:01 PM

this is what comes from giving women the vote.......

Aliantha · 10-26-2006, 06:03 PM

arsehole

JayMcGee · 10-26-2006, 06:05 PM

ah.. now you're talking.......

Flint · 10-26-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Comments like these are exactly why date rape cases are not reported to police.

That's more than a mere "comment"- that's a sermon to over 500 people! Yay religion!

Aliantha · 10-26-2006, 06:14 PM

I'm wondering if anyone is surprised by the results of this poll? Personally I'm not because I've done a fair amount of research in the area as you probably would all have guessed by now.

It's incredibly astounding to me that when over half the women who have voted on this poll have either been raped or narrowly avoided it, some people can still find the time to make jokes.

That is my point. This is not an issue that affects a few people. It affects over 25% of the population. That's a fairly huge wack wouldn't you say?

lumberjim · 10-26-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JayMcGee

this is what comes from giving women the vote.......

aw, cmon. that was some funny shit!

Flint · 10-26-2006, 06:24 PM

"Perhaps this is why it is man alone who laughs: he alone suffers so deeply that he had to invent laughter." - Friedrich Nietzsche

xoxoxoBruce · 10-26-2006, 10:02 PM

I would imagine the newspaper reporters only asked men for their reaction to the law, or at least lumped them into a section of male reaction. That's because most people think of women victims when rape is mentioned.
That's unfortunate, as rape is not exclusively a male on female crime. Many boys are raped and men in prison know the problem well.

Aliantha · 10-27-2006, 07:38 AM

I just wanted to thank the people who voted on this thread. I realize it takes courage to do what you did and it means just as much that you could say what you did even though it was anonymously.

I hope that even though some people will never understand what you've been though, they may at least have had pause to consider your anguish and in future, maybe things will be different for you and for me.

Flint · 10-27-2006, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I would imagine the newspaper reporters only asked men for their reaction to the law, or at least lumped them into a section of male reaction.

My problem with this sentence:

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Some men claim that the reforms will place an impossible burden on them to show that the woman agreed to sex if she had had a few drinks beforehand.

...is that it should have been written like this:

Some claim that the reforms will place an impossible burden on men to show that the woman agreed to sex if she had had a few drinks beforehand.

Otherwise it implies that men, exclusively, object to this law - which is inaccurate and inflamatory.
I don't think a professional journalist could be this naive about semantics. If they are, it's just incompetence.
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@Aliantha: Sorry, if I hijacked your thread. These were a couple of current news items I thought were worthy of discussion.

lhatcher · 10-27-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddug

Germaine Greer ( an Aussie feminist who now looks after ducks somewhere in England) says that women should not feel raped by rape . After all , what is rape ? Only a stiff ( and often not THAT stiff because of the booze) member in your vagina . Is your vagina YOU ? Yer bloody mind is stronger than that .

As a girl , Germaine Greer was raped in a car after a party by a person she knew . This is her way of being stronger than rape .

It may help some people who do not dare to say they have been raped .

Women deal with it , and get over it . THE RAPISTS GO TO PRISON .

I agree to a point. Date rape can be gotten over, but when there's violence involved it is way so much more than just a stiff one.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-27-2006, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Otherwise it implies that men, exclusively, object to this law - which is inaccurate and inflamatory.

No, it just means that's the strongest negative reaction they could find and who it came from.
You don't think they got a negative reaction from women, do you? The law isn't to protect women from dogs, or men from women, it's clearly women from men.

View Poll Results: Have you been a victim of rape?
Yes - violent	2	6.45%
Yes - date	11	35.48%
No, but I was lucky to avoid it	4	12.90%
No never	14	45.16%
Voters: 31. You may not vote on this poll

10-26-2006, 03:31 PM	#47
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	did y'all hear about this one? "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?" Sheik Taj Aldin al-Hilali __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-26-2006, 05:41 PM	#48
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Comments like these are exactly why date rape cases are not reported to police. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-26-2006, 06:01 PM	#49
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	this is what comes from giving women the vote....... __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

10-26-2006, 06:03 PM	#50
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	arsehole __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-26-2006, 06:05 PM	#51
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	ah.. now you're talking....... __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

10-26-2006, 06:14 PM	#53
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I'm wondering if anyone is surprised by the results of this poll? Personally I'm not because I've done a fair amount of research in the area as you probably would all have guessed by now. It's incredibly astounding to me that when over half the women who have voted on this poll have either been raped or narrowly avoided it, some people can still find the time to make jokes. That is my point. This is not an issue that affects a few people. It affects over 25% of the population. That's a fairly huge wack wouldn't you say? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-26-2006, 06:24 PM	#55
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	"Perhaps this is why it is man alone who laughs: he alone suffers so deeply that he had to invent laughter." - Friedrich Nietzsche __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-26-2006, 10:02 PM	#56
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I would imagine the newspaper reporters only asked men for their reaction to the law, or at least lumped them into a section of male reaction. That's because most people think of women victims when rape is mentioned. That's unfortunate, as rape is not exclusively a male on female crime. Many boys are raped and men in prison know the problem well. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-27-2006, 07:38 AM	#57
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I just wanted to thank the people who voted on this thread. I realize it takes courage to do what you did and it means just as much that you could say what you did even though it was anonymously. I hope that even though some people will never understand what you've been though, they may at least have had pause to consider your anguish and in future, maybe things will be different for you and for me. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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