The Obamanation

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Don't be dumbasses.

That's super easy. C'mon, try demanding more! If you can bear the result -- for we can be smarter than you can, and we are ready to show it off.

Sugarpop, I haven't heard any such reply. Unemployment in my county is presently 10.4 percent, though there has been a 600-job increase in the nonfarm sector of late. From over here, doesn't look like anybody could say "Right here!" yet. But it is being read as a hopeful sign.

Recessions and depressions seem to me to come and go on their own cycle and their own pace, regardless of anything Government does -- except for cutting taxes and expenditures.

[TheMercenary]

I am no Dumb ass. Where are the job he and the Demoncrats promised with the spending bills that are nearly bankrupting this nation?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I am no Dumb ass. Where are the job he and the Demoncrats promised with the spending bills that are nearly bankrupting this nation?

Here.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Here.

Nope, not 3.5 million jobs...

THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION: JUNE 2009

Nonfarm payroll employment continued to decline in June (-467,000),
and the unemployment rate was little changed at 9.5 percent, the Bureau
of Labor Statistics of the U.S. Department of Labor reported today.
Job losses were widespread across the major industry sectors, with
large declines occurring in manufacturing, professional and business
services, and construction.

Unemployment (Household Survey Data)

The number of unemployed persons (14.7 million) and the unemployment
rate (9.5 percent) were little changed in June. Since the start of the
recession in December 2007, the number of unemployed persons has increas-
ed by 7.2 million, and the unemployment rate has risen by 4.6 percentage
points. (See table A-1.)

In June, unemployment rates for the major worker groups--adult men
(10.0 percent), adult women (7.6 percent), teenagers (24.0 percent),
whites (8.7 percent), blacks (14.7 percent), and Hispanics (12.2 per-
cent)--showed little change. The unemployment rate for Asians was
8.2 percent, not seasonally adjusted. (See tables A-1, A-2, and A-3.)

Among the unemployed, the number of job losers and persons who com-
pleted temporary jobs (9.6 million) was little changed in June after
increasing by an average of 615,000 per month during the first 5 months
of this year. (See table A-8.)

The number of long-term unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks or
more) increased by 433,000 over the month to 4.4 million. In June, 3
in 10 unemployed persons were jobless for 27 weeks or more. (See
table A-9.)

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

[glatt]

I hear ya bitchin' Merc, but without a time travel machine, there's no way to go back in time and not spend the stimulus money to see how bad things would have gotten if we hadn't spent the money.

Maybe Obama's right and 3.5 million jobs have been saved. Maybe unemployment would be at 50% if the spending hadn't been done. No way to know for sure.

I went to the mall yesterday with my wife because we were near there and had to kill some time. The place was packed with people, and most of them were carrying shopping bags. From what I could see, there was no recession. My wife even bought a pair of pants.

[sugarpop]

I imagine all the people whose jobs were saved would say, "right fucking here." :p

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

I imagine all the people whose jobs were saved would say, "right fucking here." :p

Cool, show me how the stimulus money saved you a job. What is your full time job anyway?

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Cool, show me how the stimulus money saved you a job. What is your full time job anyway?

I didn't say it saved ME a job. I was talking about some state governors who have said, on TV, that the stimulus money stopped them from laying off people.

[Shawnee123]

There's a big sign on the interstate on my way here and home: project funded by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. There are like, orange cones and everything.

Sounds like jobs to me.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

There's a big sign on the interstate on my way here and home: project funded by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. There are like, orange cones and everything.

Sounds like jobs to me.

Obama said, "This plan will save or create 3.5 million jobs. More than 90 percent of these jobs will be in the private sector, jobs rebuilding our roads and bridges, constructing wind turbines and solar panels, laying broadband and expanding mass transit."

3.5 million jobs... Where are they?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Obama said, "This plan will save or create 3.5 million jobs. More than 90 percent of these jobs will be in the private sector, jobs rebuilding our roads and bridges, constructing wind turbines and solar panels, laying broadband and expanding mass transit."

Immediately prior to that quote, as part of the same sentence in fact, he said, "Over the next two years".

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Nope, not 3.5 million jobs...

I'm not sure who you're trying to refute here. If you want to assume the stimulus was supposed to save or create jobs at a linear rate (probably not a good assumption), I guess you could complain "Nope, not 730,000 jobs." (5/24ths of 3.5 million).

It reminds me of the Y2K problem. We spent billions fixing Y2K bugs, and then people complained about the hype when we hit Y2K and the bugs were already fixed.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

If you want to assume the stimulus was supposed to save or create jobs at a linear rate (probably not a good assumption), I guess you could complain "Nope, not 730,000 jobs." (5/24ths of 3.5 million).

Ok.

Not even close to 730,000 jobs yet.

glatt and HM,

[ohrant] that is the point, it is all smoke and mirrors and yet we continue to bleed over 500,000 jobs a month. In the mean time our deficit rises to the TRILLIONS. Well hell, who is going to pay that off? Our great great great grand kids? Look, if I could have just seen some restrained defined spending in these "stimuli bills" I would not be bitching so much. I truely held out hope for Obama, not so much the Dems in Congress, but I really had a little hope that they would all do what they said they were going to do. He is rubber stamping this shit. And Obama and the Dems are in this together. There is no separation of powers. The Repubs were no different, but he could have significant influence over what the Dems produce. But no, they have fucked us over and over. Look at the bills coming from Congress, they are filled with pork and they have ram rodded the legislation through Congress will little other than "my way or the highway". There is no frigging transparancy till it comes out of Pelosi's ass. And then few changes are made. Granted the Republickins were not much different but is that an excuse? They had a historic opportunity to straighten this shit out in a concerted and pinpoint way but instead they have just thrown our frigging money at it and really have had little idea if it was going to work, if it worked a little, or even if it will really work in the long run. I am a bit more wrapped up over the health care issue because I have been in it for 30 years and I know the issue pretty well. And what they are proposing and how they think it will work is filled with holes, uncertainty, and more smoke and mirrors. And if you really look closely it is all being INFLUENCED by the darlings of the DEMS, the big pharm and insurance corps and we are about to be royally butt fucked. So yea, I am a little more than wrapped on the issues. [/endorant]

thanks.

[Shawnee123]

It's been 5 months. Are you really as obtuse as you pretend to be?

[TheMercenary]

Why am obtuse? Because I disagree with the fantasy that Obama and the Demoncrats have sold the American people?

[Shawnee123]

Because you're so busy nay-saying you can't see 5 inches in front of you.

Give it up.