Wall Street Protests

[ZenGum]

“You don’t want to wait for someone to get hurt.”

Yeah, you want to go in and make sure they get hurt now.

Sorry, undue cynicism.

An occupy protest was "cleared" in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, a week or two ago. 50 protesters and two cops treated in hospital. One cop needed his eyes flushed (most likely wayward pepper spray, police issue only, oops).

Here's a more modest proposal.

The protest has two locations, and must swap back and forth. Three days here, three days there. Maybe a week.

It would stop it from becoming a homeless refuge, without stifling dissent.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

Here's a more modest proposal.

The protest has two locations, and must swap back and forth. Three days here, three days there. Maybe a week.

It would stop it from becoming a homeless refuge, without stifling dissent.

I vote Zen be in charge of the revolution.

[TheMercenary]

Nice...

SAN DIEGO (CBS) — A pair of Southland street cart vendors who were forced to shut down their businesses after “Occupy” protesters vandalized their carts are hoping to get some help from local residents.

KNX 1070′s Tom Reopelle reports a fundraiser in the Gas Lamp district in San Diego on Monday night is aimed at helping two vendors get back on their feet.




The coffee and hot dog carts were located in Civic Center Plaza, the same location as the Occupy San Diego protesters.

That group first settled in to the plaza Oct. 7 and set up a tent city which has since twice been taken down by police.

Coffee cart owner Linda Jenson and hot dog cart operators Letty and Pete Soto said they initially provided free food and drink to demonstrators, but when they stopped, the protesters became violent.

And according to one city councilman, bodily fluids were used in the attacks.

“Both carts have had items stolen, have had their covers vandalized with markings and graffiti, as well as one of the carts had urine and blood splattered on it,” said Councilman Carl DeMaio.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/...s-blood-urine/

[SamIam]

Yeah, I agree. Something needs to be done about all the winos, panhandlers, crazies and homeless who hang around our down town areas.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I doubt if very many of the protesters understand exactly how this country went down the toilet. Hell, most people in the country are like the drunk that woke up covered with magic marker dicks. Most probably think it happened quickly too. Only a few experts, and tw, understand the whole thing.

The message from the protesters seems garbled. Since they don't understand the big picture, (who does?), they can only talk about how it's affecting them personally. But they do know the system is fucked up, so they protest, hoping to raise awareness that the people can force the country back on course if they stick together and work for it.

This frustrates merc, and FOX News, because it doesn't give them a single point they can spin against. FOX is double pissed because their own tactics are being used against them.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The message from the protesters seems garbled. Since they don't understand the big picture, (who does?), they can only talk about how it's affecting them personally. But they do know the system is fucked up, so they protest, hoping to raise awareness that the people can force the country back on course if they stick together and work for it.

This frustrates merc, and FOX News, because it doesn't give them a single point they can spin against. FOX is double pissed because their own tactics are being used against them.

I am not frustrated by it. They majority have become their own worst enemy. The majority will self destruct.

[BigV]

^^^
this makes me happy.

[SamIam]

From the Occupy Denver Site

OCCUPY DENVER ELECTS LEADER

In response to Denver Mayor Michael Hancock’s insistence that Occupy Denver choose leadership to deal with City and State officials, and drawing inspiration from the notion that corporations are people, Occupy Denver’s General Assembly has elected a leader: Shelby, a three year old Border Collie. “Shelby is closer to a person than any corporation: She can bleed, she can breed, and she can show emotion. Either Shelby is a person, or corporations aren’t people,” said a Shelby supporter at the time of her election.

Occupy Denver reserves the right to alter leadership status, but for now, Shelby exhibits heart, warmth, and an appreciation for the group over personal ambition that Occupy Denver members feel are sorely lacking in the leaders some of them have voted for on national, state, and local levels. Accordingly, Occupy Denver looks forward to communication with Mayor Hancock and Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper sometime this week to introduce their leadership.

Newly-elected leader Shelby will be leading this Saturday’s Occupy Denver march against Corporate Personhood, and invites all other civic minded dogs (and their leash-holders) to join.

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[Aliantha]

My opinion on this situation today.

I think it's time for the occupiers to make a stand, or go home. This story is becoming less newsworthy by the minute and they're losing whatever support they had.

If they're going to revolt, it's time to bring out the big guns.

[infinite monkey]

My opinion on this situation today.

I think it's time for the occupiers to make a stand, or go home. This story is becoming less newsworthy by the minute and they're losing whatever support they had.

If they're going to revolt, it's time to bring out the big guns.

Pico mentioned in the US election thread that she thinks some of yesterday's victories (to our sensibilities anyway) were a referendum on the status quo, the far right politics and the tea party.

Of course it is. And I believe this Occupy thing has opened people's eyes. "Oh, you mean when they tell me I should feel guilty and shut up it's because I'm lazy and fruitless and if I had only TRIED HARDER... they're lying? All this time I thought it was ME."

Which leads to more discussion and more awareness about things like...you know, voting. I think people got really complacent after Obama was elected...two years later Ohio forgot to vote again.

For the Occupiers to suddenly say "OK, done sending a message, let's go home" then they look like fools, like the ne'er-do-wells they're painted as, so I hope they're as strong (inner strength) as I perceive them to be.

THey're not going to pull out a bunch of pitchforks and storm the castle.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

Pico mentioned in the US election thread that she thinks some of yesterday's victories (to our sensibilities anyway) were a referendum on the status quo, the far right politics and the tea party.

Of course it is. And I believe this Occupy thing has opened people's eyes. "Oh, you mean when they tell me I should feel guilty and shut up it's because I'm lazy and fruitless and if I had only TRIED HARDER... they're lying? All this time I thought it was ME."

Which leads to more discussion and more awareness about things like...you know, voting. I think people got really complacent after Obama was elected...two years later Ohio forgot to vote again.

For the Occupiers to suddenly say "OK, done sending a message, let's go home" then they look like fools, like the ne'er-do-wells they're painted as, so I hope they're as strong (inner strength) as I perceive them to be.

THey're not going to pull out a bunch of pitchforks and storm the castle.

Well said Infi.

[Aliantha]

I understand what you're saying. I just see them getting less news coverage here, and if they're not in the news, what's the point?

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

I understand what you're saying. I just see them getting less news coverage here, and if they're not in the news, what's the point?

They continue to be in the news on and off here in the States. The movement has several events planned which I'm sure will be considered newsworthy.

But news or no news, the point is that the American people are joining together in a common cause. I just got back from a "house party," one of two hundred scheduled across the country tonight. Most of the folks there were older, and we had a great discussion concerning the message we want to send to Congress.

I don't know why people say OWS has no objective. It's the corporations, stupid! Tonight our group told the leader - yes, we had a leader - that the message we wanted to send is that we want to work toward a Constitutional Amendment which will overturn the Supreme Court's ruling that corporations are people. We also talked about election reform, but tabled that for our next meeting.

On Friday and Saturday we will continue our version of Occupy Cortez and picket our Congressional Representative's office here, as well as a local bank that has affiliations with the one of the big financial outfits on Wall Street.

People are angry about what is happening to the US. I don't think we're anywhere near ready to take our toys and go home.

PS I just Googled "Occupy Denver," and within the last 24 hours, it has been written up in the Los Angeles Times, appeared on YouTube with its new leader, Shelby the collie, had a story about it broadcast from a local Denver TV station (KMGH), and was featured in a Huffington Post story.

That's just Denver. I'm too tired to check on the other Occupy groups.

So, the Australian media is not that excited about it. Why should they be? Their focus is correctly enough going to be on their own country.

[xoxoxoBruce]

A fence won't stop the cowboys in Congress, but a burr under their saddle will in time. In this case, burrs in every major city in every state.

[Aliantha]

There are OWS protesters here too as I mentioned earlier in this thread. The only coverage they're getting now is about how they're desecrating war memorials and killing all the grass in the parks.

This is a world wide movement. It's not just about the USA. There may be separate goals, but it all started from the same movement.