Chemical Dependency/Illness or weakness - Page 3

mrnoodle · 03-07-2005, 01:53 PM

"I'm not an alcoholic, I'm a drunkard; drunkards don't like to go to meetings." -- Jackie Gleason (if I'm not mistaken).

Brown Thrasher · 03-07-2005, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

"I'm not an alcoholic, I'm a drunkard; drunkards don't like to go to meetings." -- Jackie Gleason (if I'm not mistaken).

That is what I like honesty. I was hoping to hear from people suffering from addiction or trying to overcome it. Bottom line. People who do not experience addiction as I am describing have no idea; just like someone not suffering from cancer has no idea...... they may have seen it up close, but they really have no idea...... not even doctors or therapist trying to help the addicted. I don't care how educated they are. Without experiencing addiction there is no real understanding...... I have no idea what it feels like to be dying from MS for example........

I am in no way suggesting that you have the illness. Thanks for the post!!!!

Trilby · 03-09-2005, 01:27 PM

AA, NA---all the same shit. I've witnessed the grumbling between the two and it's pretty sickening. The fact that people afflicted with the same freakin' disease can't agree to relate should shed a little light on the dilemma alcoholics/addicts face every day with "regular" people. It's like Non-Insulin dependant diabetics feeling superior to Insulin-dependant diabetics. Ridiculous, purile, petty and just stupid. And AA/NA membership can breed more distrust than just obstaining with the help of some local church-group. Invite a member of AA/NA into your house and best not turn your back. I invited a young, single mother in for a cuppa and when my back was turned a few choice items went missing. Gullible Travels. That's me.

capnhowdy · 03-09-2005, 08:23 PM

I need a drink...........make mine a dubble.....................

Trilby · 03-13-2005, 05:01 PM

You know, the whole preachy-thing about AA is what turns me off. Why can't AA be more like Jesus? And why does everybody have to be so mean to the Newcomer? And why do you have to do 90 meetings in 90 days if you didn't drink 90 days in a row?????

xoxoxoBruce · 03-13-2005, 08:22 PM

Because after 90 odd years of trial and error they've found out that works.

Trilby · 03-14-2005, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Because after 90 odd years of trial and error they've found out that works.

I'll drink to that*

*soda! Drink soda!!

mrnoodle · 03-14-2005, 10:10 AM

I wish there was an entity as effective as AA for meth users. I know there are various 12-step programs that sort of blanket the whole realm of addiction, but meth is a filthy, filthy drug that deserves separate attention.

I've got two friends who are hooked on it, and one of them is almost to the point of no return, brain-wise. She doesn't even talk like an intelligent person anymore. I imagine her heart rate is similar to that of a small bird, and she weighs about as much. She's had an intervention, she's been in jail, she's been broke, she's been raped, she sells both meth and her own body (although she swears she's not 'working' anymore, no one really believes her). Her teeth used to be beautiful, but they're nasty and brown now. Oddly enough, her hair's still in, and she doesn't have the burn marks on her fingertips from the pipe anymore. I hope she's not injecting. Age -- 23.

Meth is the filthiest drug ever invented.

Trilby · 03-14-2005, 11:04 AM

Wow--23. Such a waste! They are thinking of passing a law here in OH to limit the amount of sudafed you can buy in a month. Anything like that in CO??

Troubleshooter · 03-14-2005, 11:42 AM

Here in my town, in La, they keep the ephedrin based products behind the counter. You can buy them now problem, you just have to ask for them.

As to the people who do it to themselves after people have tried to help them repeatedly, more power to them, do more drugs and faster. It's part of my drug legalization platform.

Brett's Honey · 03-14-2005, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

They are thinking of passing a law here in OH to limit the amount of sudafed you can buy in a month. Anything like that in CO??

Meth is a HUGE problem here in Oklahoma. Over a year ago they passed a law limiting the amount of cold & sinus medication that you can buy, and you also have to sign a log book, giving the date, amount purchased (which is limited), and your name and address. (Already, a drugstore is in big trouble, - their log book clearly shows several of the same people buying illegal quantities of sinus meds over and over in a short period of time. Not sure what the time limit is...)
Before that law passed, there were also new laws passed on purchasing fertilizer containing anhydrous ammonia. Only farmers with legitimate a use for it can buy it. And farmers have had to go to great lengths to lock it up. A few farmers have shot people, and been shot over meth "cooks" trying to steal the fertilizer. A few police officers have been shot & killed during routine traffic stops when they've pulled over a van converted into a "travelling meth lab".
I had thought that in our particular town, the refinery was a major source of the problem. A lot of the refinery work is contracted out, so workers from out of town companies are always here, and they work a lot of jobs that are 7 days a week, 12 hour days. The local people that I've been most shocked to learn that do meth, or used to do it, started it while working long hours, 7 days a week, spending a lot more of their time with co-workers than with friends and family. And lots of times the meth gets quite a hold on people and they just cannot seem to get away from it.
A local sheriff said that this county does have one of the worst problems with meth in the state, but the entire state is pretty bad.
And I see the results - some deaths, a lot of divorces, lost jobs, friendships, homes, etc......Unfortunately, it seems that most people really have to hit rock bottom before they manage to give it up.

mrnoodle · 03-14-2005, 01:28 PM

ephedrin ain't allowed in over-the-counter medicine any more in CO.

Trilby · 03-14-2005, 10:46 PM

It's about brain chemistry and obsession. It does NOT feel like a "choice" to those so afflicted. You suppose addicts LIKE what is happening?

Brett's Honey · 03-14-2005, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna

It's about brain chemistry and obsession. It does NOT feel like a "choice" to those so afflicted. You suppose addicts LIKE what is happening?

Once they move past denying that there's a problem, and actually figure out what is happening, I cannot imagine that anyone would LIKE it. I do feel like it's a fact that there are times when choices are made - and that would be the first few times when a person does the drug.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-15-2005, 07:40 AM

It's always a choice but as you progress the wrong choice looks more and more rational, more like the right choice.

03-07-2005, 01:53 PM	#1
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	"I'm not an alcoholic, I'm a drunkard; drunkards don't like to go to meetings." -- Jackie Gleason (if I'm not mistaken). __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

03-09-2005, 01:27 PM	#3
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	AA, NA---all the same shit. I've witnessed the grumbling between the two and it's pretty sickening. The fact that people afflicted with the same freakin' disease can't agree to relate should shed a little light on the dilemma alcoholics/addicts face every day with "regular" people. It's like Non-Insulin dependant diabetics feeling superior to Insulin-dependant diabetics. Ridiculous, purile, petty and just stupid. And AA/NA membership can breed more distrust than just obstaining with the help of some local church-group. Invite a member of AA/NA into your house and best not turn your back. I invited a young, single mother in for a cuppa and when my back was turned a few choice items went missing. Gullible Travels. That's me. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-09-2005, 08:23 PM	#4
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	I need a drink...........make mine a dubble..................... __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

03-13-2005, 05:01 PM	#5
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	You know, the whole preachy-thing about AA is what turns me off. Why can't AA be more like Jesus? And why does everybody have to be so mean to the Newcomer? And why do you have to do 90 meetings in 90 days if you didn't drink 90 days in a row????? __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-13-2005, 08:22 PM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Because after 90 odd years of trial and error they've found out that works. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-14-2005, 10:10 AM	#8
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	I wish there was an entity as effective as AA for meth users. I know there are various 12-step programs that sort of blanket the whole realm of addiction, but meth is a filthy, filthy drug that deserves separate attention. I've got two friends who are hooked on it, and one of them is almost to the point of no return, brain-wise. She doesn't even talk like an intelligent person anymore. I imagine her heart rate is similar to that of a small bird, and she weighs about as much. She's had an intervention, she's been in jail, she's been broke, she's been raped, she sells both meth and her own body (although she swears she's not 'working' anymore, no one really believes her). Her teeth used to be beautiful, but they're nasty and brown now. Oddly enough, her hair's still in, and she doesn't have the burn marks on her fingertips from the pipe anymore. I hope she's not injecting. Age -- 23. Meth is the filthiest drug ever invented. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

03-14-2005, 11:04 AM	#9
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Wow--23. Such a waste! They are thinking of passing a law here in OH to limit the amount of sudafed you can buy in a month. Anything like that in CO?? __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-14-2005, 11:42 AM	#10
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Here in my town, in La, they keep the ephedrin based products behind the counter. You can buy them now problem, you just have to ask for them. As to the people who do it to themselves after people have tried to help them repeatedly, more power to them, do more drugs and faster. It's part of my drug legalization platform. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

03-14-2005, 01:28 PM	#12
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	ephedrin ain't allowed in over-the-counter medicine any more in CO. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

03-14-2005, 10:46 PM	#13
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	It's about brain chemistry and obsession. It does NOT feel like a "choice" to those so afflicted. You suppose addicts LIKE what is happening? __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-15-2005, 07:40 AM	#15
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	It's always a choice but as you progress the wrong choice looks more and more rational, more like the right choice. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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