tw & me

[richlevy]

Well, it's nice that we are on the ball in Indonesia. Isn't it much nicer when you try to help people who actually want the help and don't shoot at you? It's also good that GWB turned over the US response to his father and Bill Clinton, two smarter presidents who are not viewed by a majority of the world's population as a boob.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by richlevy

Isn't it much nicer when you try to help people who actually want the help and don't shoot at you?

They'll be shooting at us once the ammo dries out.

[OnyxCougar]

Don't feel bad, Lookout. He didn't answer mine either.

I guess we're just stereotypical religious extremists with no thought or minds of our own, controlled by the media and the MBA.

[tw]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

Don't feel bad, Lookout. He didn't answer mine either.

It would have been nice to have something to reply to. By responding to sentences one at a time, you were not responding to an idea or concept. In fact, I expected you to grade my spelling. Onyxcougar, if you really wanted a response, then post in coherent paragraphs. Nit picking sentences is how one avoids the context.

I could not respond to something that was not coherent because it nit picked sentences rather than address an issue. I read your post four times and came to the same conclusion: What is she saying?

[Clodfobble]

When will you apologize for a president who could not make a decision for five days?

And furthermore Lookout, when did you stop beating your wife?!

[Troubleshooter]

I'm curious. Is there an option to filter/block messages by something in their body, for instance the phrase "mental midget"?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

I'm curious. Is there an option to filter/block messages by something in their body, for instance the phrase "mental midget"?

It's easy to do. Prove it to be otherwise. It is not an insult. It is the mental attitude of the man. He is a genius at politics. But as a leader - classic mental midget. Again, don't complain. Instead put up facts. Prove that this man makes inspired, responsive, and intelligent decisions. Prove that he does not empty a room so that he can ask Cheney what to decide. Without proof to the contrary, he must be a mental midget. Genius at politics and other devious accomplishments. Always makes for a great party. Never once ran a successful company. Cannot even admit to making a single mistake. And must be told what to decide. But prove this wrong. Prove he is not a mental midget.

[Dagney]

Originally Posted by tw

It's easy to do. Prove it to be otherwise. It is not an insult. It is the mental attitude of the man. He is a genius at politics. But as a leader - classic mental midget. Again, don't complain. Instead put up facts. Prove that this man makes inspired, responsive, and intelligent decisions. Prove that he does not empty a room so that he can ask Cheney what to decide. Without proof to the contrary, he must be a mental midget. Genius at politics and other devious accomplishments. Always makes for a great party. Never once ran a successful company. Cannot even admit to making a single mistake. And must be told what to decide. But prove this wrong. Prove he is not a mental midget.

Give three independant (non mainstream press thank you) sources backing up that he DID....if you can't....perhaps you should rethink your position - there has been ample evidence that the press doesn't always tell the 'truth'.

Ask Dan Rather.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by tw

It's easy to do. Prove it to be otherwise. It is not an insult. It is the mental attitude of the man. He is a genius at politics. But as a leader - classic mental midget. Again, don't complain. Instead put up facts. Prove that this man makes inspired, responsive, and intelligent decisions. Prove that he does not empty a room so that he can ask Cheney what to decide. Without proof to the contrary, he must be a mental midget. Genius at politics and other devious accomplishments. Always makes for a great party. Never once ran a successful company. Cannot even admit to making a single mistake. And must be told what to decide. But prove this wrong. Prove he is not a mental midget.

Just so we understand each other. I don't like Bush.

My question was more to the point of asking if there was some way to filter posts that have the phrase "mental midget" in them. There are times when you are able to make good posts, the only problem is that I'm tired of hearing that phrase.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

My question was more to the point of asking if there was some way to filter posts that have the phrase "mental midget" in them. There are times when you are able to make good posts, the only problem is that I'm tired of hearing that phrase.

I am tempted to call him the 'lovable' George Jr. A reference to hookers.

[Dagney]

Just a few things I want to ask...that I did not see covered in the above spatter of information....

1. Did TW not see that US troops were on the ground the day after the disaster doing what they could? (I saw it on the news, am looking for the source). Yes, our big battle groups may not have been there until later, but we were there helping, right away.
2. Does TW not realize that merely having a US military presence on the ground, daily costs an average of $10Mil US? (Gee, let's calculate, 7 Days, * 10 Mil = roughly 70 Million dollars...on top of the pleged 35 mil at first, that was then Increased to 350 Mil, that was then given pretty much a bottomless bucket, with Powell saying we'll give what they need...no matter what)
3. Has TW dug cash out of his pocket and offered it up to assist...or does he just take pot shots from the comfort of his easy chair?
4. You may not agree with Bush and his politics, hell, you may not even like him as a person, you may be holding on to a lot of bitter rage after the 'grand disappointment' in November, but damn man, 150K people died, and no, it was NOT President Bush's fault, so why don't you take a pill and stop trying to blame someone for an 'act of God'.

Oh, and yes, I'm a Christian in a round about sort of way by definition.......and if you want to call me a religious extremist because I believe the way I do, go ahead....it won't be any skin off my nose.

Kellie

[tw]

Originally Posted by Dagney

1. Did TW not see that US troops were on the ground the day after the disaster doing what they could? ... Yes, our big battle groups may not have been there until later, but we were there helping, right away.
2. Does TW not realize that merely having a US military presence on the ground, daily costs an average of $10Mil US? (Gee, let's calculate, 7 Days, * 10 Mil = roughly 70 Million dollars...on top of the pleged 35 mil at first, that was then Increased to 350 Mil, that was then given pretty much a bottomless bucket, with Powell saying we'll give what they need...no matter what)
3. Has TW dug cash out of his pocket and offered it up to assist...or does he just take pot shots from the comfort of his easy chair?
4. You may not agree with Bush and his politics, hell, you may not even like him as a person, you may be holding on to a lot of bitter rage after the 'grand disappointment' in November, but damn man, 150K people died, and no, it was NOT President Bush's fault, so why don't you take a pill and stop trying to blame someone for an 'act of God'.

Correct. With thousands of troops but days away, instead we sent a paltry 6 C-130s and some recon planes. Since numbers are calculated to three significant digits, then 100 troops is the equivalent of zero. This in a region that contained thousands of Americans waiting - stifled - five days to help. The Marines that could have been there on day 7, instead, arrived on day 14. They too were delayed one week by a president who took five days to be humiliated into the truth.

Needed on day one was food, medicine, tools, and other aid that America could have been delivering that day. No one knows how many 10,000s died because aid never arrived. No one could have matched America's ability to save tens of thousands - if only the president permitted Americans to help. Instead George Jr stalled for a week. When both information and aid were most needed, then he who had full information and thousands of troops in the region, instead, sat on his righteous ass.

He never even told our allies how dire the situation was. They, with less information, had to mock America before George Jr would admit the obvious. George Jr just sat there until Thursday - after the world rightly humiliated us. We who had more in the region to send when it was needed most, instead, just sat on our ass. In the meantime, tens of thousands more died.

The first American response was costing about $6 million per day. So what? Why do you misrepresent the American contribution? The fact that George Jr only offered $15million says he would not offer help. The money demonstrates George Jr's mindset. The size of his pledge represents George Jr's mental attitude. He couldn't be bothered to pledge money if he denied a tragedy had occurred.

Why did the world redicule a paltry $15 million pledge? Was it because we did not pledge enough? Don't insult the world. $15 million says George Jr refused to acknowledge a Tsunami disaster for 5 days. If he was moral, then the Lincoln would have been dispatched that day - and no one would have been talking paltry money. It took redicule and humiliation to get the mental midget to admit a disaster. Ridicule of an immoral president started with his paltry $15million. The point - leadership of an immoral president.

Apparent, Dagney, you have not yet appreciated why a $15 million pledge was such an embarrassment. It basically said the 12 Indian Ocean nations, "Screw you. We have already decided your disaster is not significant". George Jr said that even with satellite photos sitting on his desk that said otherwise. Where is the morality from a man who could have parachuted pallets of emergency aid that day and had the USS Lincoln there but days later. How is it so moral to let thousands die for five days? Paltry money numbers represents the immoral mindset of a righteous George Jr. He could have pledged $1billion weeks later. It does not change the mindset of a "let them die" president.

Let them die? Its not our problem? How many ten thousands died because no help arrived for more than 3 critical days - in part because George Jr did not care. Where is the morality in that response? Those first three days were the most critical. George Jr sat on his righteous ass for *five* days. Where is the morality? The good and moral Christian response had to come from the rest of the world - when the world so accurately rediculed George Jr.

What was Powell doing while trying to clean up the president's mess? Probably again trying to get the president to get off his ass and be responsible. Behind the scenes, this again sounds like a frustrated Powell quietly appauled at this president's response. Powell had to spin something from no response. As was so obvious on Nightline with George Stephenopolis, Powell was representing a president who did nothing. The word used to describe Powell's 'no win' situation? He 'bristled'. We did nothing for 5 days. Powell again was stuck cleaning up the embarrassment.

Show me how a moral president could just sit there for 5 days and offer what is essentially no help (100 men is zero help when ten thousand were needed - but proves to extremist mentalities that the US responded).

There is no bitter rage here. You may think so because you don't like the facts. Clinton suffered same criticism when he bribed our local Congresswoman - MMM. But the devil gave us George Jr - benchmark for what is immoral.

[Undertoad]

Bush press conference on day three, announces teleconferencing with affected world leaders and pledges the first aid

Day three. Honesty, tw? Honesty?

Now look, I know the Times put all this shit at chimpy's feet, but 1) it happened the day after Christmas, and 2) the fact that they went around the UN in three days starting the day after Christmas turned out to be a REAL winner in hindsight.

It turned out that most other Western leaders were off on vacation too, as was Annan (who REALLY didn't return for five days).

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

It turned out that most other Western leaders were off on vacation too, as was Annan (who REALLY didn't return for five days).

Even Kofi Anon returned on day four when the UN finally understood the scope of this disaster. The UN only knows as much as what the victim countries could tell it. However George Jr never ordered action until Thursday - and only after worldwide redicule. His day three aid was phone calls? In the meantime, what did the president of Sri Lanka ask for? They desperately needed information that the president had on Sunday. By Geroge Jr's own words

I just got off the phone with the President of Sri Lanka, she asked for help to assess the damage. In other words, not only did they want immediate help, but they wanted help to assess damage so that we can better direct resources.

A responsive George Jr with those satellite pictures would have been on the phone Sunday. It took him three days just to place a phone call? Three days later and he finally decided to call nations desperate to comprehend what had happened?

The Indonesian Interior Minister acknowledges how desperately they needed information that George Jr had. Minister describes the first days as denial followed by days of panic. They needed aid and they needed information - fast. George Jr had both but offered neither for how many days? He never even bothered to call until three days later? What kind of ally is that?

[Dagney]

Originally Posted by tw

Even Kofi Anon returned on day four when the UN finally understood the scope of this disaster. The UN only knows as much as what the victim countries could tell it. However George Jr never ordered action until Thursday - and only after worldwide redicule. His day three aid was phone calls? In the meantime, what did the president of Sri Lanka ask for? They desperately needed information that the president had on Sunday. By Geroge Jr's own words A responsive George Jr with those satellite pictures would have been on the phone Sunday. It took him three days just to place a phone call? Three days later and he finally decided to call nations desperate to comprehend what had happened?

The Indonesian Interior Minister acknowledges how desperately they needed information that George Jr had. Minister describes the first days as denial followed by days of panic. They needed aid and they needed information - fast. George Jr had both but offered neither for how many days? He never even bothered to call until three days later? What kind of ally is that?

I'd really like to know how you know absolutely without a doubt, barring the mainstream press the President didn't do anything.

What papers do you read dude?

Wait, don't bother answering, I'm just going to let you stew in your own juices, because nothing anyone says is going to get past your ignorance.