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To shreds, you say?
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We have to go back, Kate!
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No idea - I didn't write it :p
Really interesting comment piece in the Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...curity-council
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The future is unwritten
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That Guardian piece,
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But the key is the word "could", which means it's possible but everyone, including the author, knows it won't. For shits and giggles let's say the ICC investigates, ruminates, and castigates. Israel says fuck you. Now what, send an officer of the court to handcuff Israel and bring them to justice? Tell them to pick up bread, milk, and Putin on their way back. ![]() Despite all the civilized trappings like the U.N., ICC, and various international do-gooder groups, the reality remains, what you're powerful enough to take and hold, is yours. Maybe even more so today with most people wary of starting WW III
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The future is unwritten
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Oh, and just in...
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I love it when a plan comes together.
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Oh, the humanity ... must've stepped on the edge of a tunnel ... launch another offensive!
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The future is unwritten
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A newspaper article published in Saudi Arabia by a writer with ties to the Saudi royals, spells out why the Saudis want peace between Israel and Gaza.
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Is it because it's just so boring? The same old bullshit in the Middle East?
Terrorists are terrorists and Israel is reacting justly, but overreacting yet again. Bastards kill one of ours, and we kill 100 of theirs. They both suck. In the latest round with Lebanon, Israel didn't crush Hezbollah, so Hezbollah counted that as a victory. Now Israel is doing the same thing with Hamas. Is Hamas going to consider this a victory? What was Israel's goal? Did they find all the tunnels? Did they seize all the rockets? Did they assassinate all the Hamas leaders? Is the mission accomplished yet? One thing they did for sure is drive home the lesson in another generation of Palestinian youths that Israel is the enemy. Insert Foot's video here. |
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I love it when a plan comes together.
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maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow
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"it would be classified as a professional victim"
Agreed. Israel shoulda 'got up early and went and killed them first'. |
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Maybe. But maybe it's more of a general thing. My bosses are slightly political at work and I don't lean in exactly the same direction they do, and I just want to figure out a way to get along and still earn their favor.
Also it seems to me that, in life, nobody has asked my opinion about much of this stuff, so maybe I should not be so gung-ho about spouting it. I dunno. |
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We have to go back, Kate!
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Interesting comment piece in today's Guardian (US edition)
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ennis-kucinich
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So if the general understanding is that no one really has a legitimate claim to the land, as illustrated in foot's video, then the traditional rule is whoever can hold it keeps it. Let them go at it.
If you still live in Gaza, you're an idiot who deserves to die. If you think that living in Jerusalem near the West Bank is better than living in New York City, where there are almost twice as many Jews as there are in Jerusalem anyway, you're an idiot who deserves to die. Anyone intelligent would move themselves and their family the fuck away from that part of the world. Anyone who is still there at this point is driven purely by ideology, on both sides, and they can all kill each other for all I care. And frankly, yes, if we're going to support one side or the other, I'd vote for supporting the side that doesn't also hate the Great Satan America. We've had--currently have, in fact--far worse bedfellows. I'll reserve my outrage for when actual innocents die, which includes no one over there. (And yes, the children on both sides are in theory innocent, but stupid parents have always gotten their children killed. Better for the gene pool that way.) |
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We have to go back, Kate!
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Yeah, I know about Iron Dome. I thought it was a really useful thing and might give Israel some breathing space to engage in other methods than wholesale slaughter. With the Iron Dome system in place, Hamas is effectively almost neutralized as a threat to Israeli citizens. Three weeks and thousands of rocket attacks and only three civilian deaths - more people die from road traffic accidents.
It's one of the reasons I find their current actions so deplorable and incomprehensible. They don't have to do this to defend their people. When Hamas joined with Fatah and agreed that they could live with a two state solution that no longer called for the destruction of Israel - the time was ripe for a real solution. Hamas is a toothless enemy. They are the knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail - on the floor with no arms or legs, shouting at their opponent to fight them and threatening to bite their ankles. I have friends who have spent time in Gaza and the West Bank (and Israel as it happens). There is a lot of misinformation on both sides. But there is also an undeniable truth: what is happening in Gaza is a massacre. Whatever Israel's right to self defence I do not believe it extends to the slaughter of thousands of civilians, the displacement of hundreds of thousands more and the effective imprisonment of the entire Gazan population. And @ Clod: as for the idea that anybody who stays in Gaza deserves to die: they cannot leave. That's why people have started referring to it as an open air prison. They have no choice but to stay. They are boxed in by land, air and sea. I wasn't going to come in here again. But I saw you'd (bruce) responded and I usually find that you have a very balanced view of these things. I feel much better for having read your post. I'm probably going to stay out of here though from now. It just makes me feel like crying.
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