Weapons in School: Zero Tolerance - Page 3

sexobon · 03-28-2011, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by monster

But the whole thing bout "zero tolerance" is the "why" is irrelevant. ...

Policies (or parts thereof in this case) may just be guidelines that allow for judgment calls based upon the circumstances, they're not always definitive. Consider a child who gets into a disagreement with a teacher (perhaps over what the child should be concentrating on during class) and is admonished; then, the child sits down and draws a picture of a gun knowing full well the teacher is going to see it. That's harassment; but, the teacher may find it difficult to prove because the child, well, "he is a boy" and that's what boys do. Sometimes pictures are innocent; but, sometimes they're indications of something else going on. Parents can be the last to acknowledge that since their children's actions reflect opon them. Keep an open mind.

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... Drawing a picture of gun? HTF is that a threat to the safety of any other student?

No brainer: It can be an early indicator of something that may escalate into harm to others; or, self-inflicted harm. You can't advocate teaching other kids to just shrug it off in today's proactive environment of school violence awareness without coming off as being egocentric.

footfootfoot · 03-27-2011, 09:09 PM

I has one

(& I is one)

monster · 03-27-2011, 09:26 PM

thanks, I'm headed that way with the teacher. I'm currently awaiting his response on the drawing weapios while studying civil war thing (which they just did...) -he didn't seem to have a problem with pictures of guns then....

I suspect it's really about drawing when he should be doing something else, and it's got to a point where the something else is irrelevant to my kid so he argues that and wins. teacher saves face with "inappropriate subject matter". I could be wrong, but I bet I'm not. That's what you get when you Open School. Sometimes the kids are going to be smarter than the teachers in some respects. In "regular" schooling that is supressed for the "greater good". At Open School, teachers get schooled sometimes

Big Sarge · 03-27-2011, 11:32 PM

Lordy. Ya'll just need to move down south where folks have more common sense about weapons. When my son did a report on the War of Northern Aggression, he gave a musket firing demo with a 9 count load. He also demonstrated fix bayonets

xoxoxoBruce · 03-27-2011, 11:55 PM

The War of Northern Aggression?

I've got news for you, Han shot first.

ZenGum · 03-28-2011, 03:22 AM

Sorry, Sarge, but naming rights go to the winners.

Except "Operation Enduring Freedom". But that isn't a name, it's just

infinite monkey · 03-28-2011, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum

Sorry, Sarge, but naming rights go to the winners.

Except "Operation Enduring Freedom". But that isn't a name, it's just

Ha! But it sounds so warm and fuzzy!

Wagging the dog.

infinite monkey · 03-28-2011, 09:10 AM

Which one's the tranny?

aside: saw Transamerica this weekend. What a great movie.

casimendocina · 03-28-2011, 11:12 AM

Re Hugh Grant-I'd forgotten about Divine Brown (was that her name?)

monster · 03-28-2011, 10:13 PM

I was mostly surprised because he's been in school 5 years. he's a boy. He draws guns. He's not alone. How is this the first time I've heard it's not OK? Being fair, he's 4th grade but his drawing level is Kindergarten. And he knows it. So now he labels his drawings. Maybe they just didn't know he was drawing guns before?

monster · 03-28-2011, 10:14 PM

(they still don't look like guns, ffs)

Happy Monkey · 03-28-2011, 10:28 PM

I have zero tolerance for zero tolerance policies. Zero tolerance policies themselves are the common-sense exception which makes this zero tolerance policy OK.

03-27-2011, 09:09 PM	#2
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	I has one (& I is one) __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

03-27-2011, 09:26 PM	#3
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	thanks, I'm headed that way with the teacher. I'm currently awaiting his response on the drawing weapios while studying civil war thing (which they just did...) -he didn't seem to have a problem with pictures of guns then.... I suspect it's really about drawing when he should be doing something else, and it's got to a point where the something else is irrelevant to my kid so he argues that and wins. teacher saves face with "inappropriate subject matter". I could be wrong, but I bet I'm not. That's what you get when you Open School. Sometimes the kids are going to be smarter than the teachers in some respects. In "regular" schooling that is supressed for the "greater good". At Open School, teachers get schooled sometimes __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

03-27-2011, 11:32 PM	#4
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	Lordy. Ya'll just need to move down south where folks have more common sense about weapons. When my son did a report on the War of Northern Aggression, he gave a musket firing demo with a 9 count load. He also demonstrated fix bayonets __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

03-27-2011, 11:55 PM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The War of Northern Aggression? I've got news for you, Han shot first. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-28-2011, 03:22 AM	#6
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Sorry, Sarge, but naming rights go to the winners. Except "Operation Enduring Freedom". But that isn't a name, it's just __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

03-28-2011, 09:10 AM	#8
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	Which one's the tranny? aside: saw Transamerica this weekend. What a great movie.

03-28-2011, 11:12 AM	#9
casimendocina Professor Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,622	Re Hugh Grant-I'd forgotten about Divine Brown (was that her name?)

03-28-2011, 10:13 PM	#10
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	I was mostly surprised because he's been in school 5 years. he's a boy. He draws guns. He's not alone. How is this the first time I've heard it's not OK? Being fair, he's 4th grade but his drawing level is Kindergarten. And he knows it. So now he labels his drawings. Maybe they just didn't know he was drawing guns before? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

03-28-2011, 10:14 PM	#11
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	(they still don't look like guns, ffs) __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

03-28-2011, 10:28 PM	#12
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I have zero tolerance for zero tolerance policies. Zero tolerance policies themselves are the common-sense exception which makes this zero tolerance policy OK. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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