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Old 05-07-2010, 11:40 AM   #1
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Yes I agree with you that they were wearing flag stuff for symbolic purposes, and those purposes are being debated with regards to political correctness/immigration/tolerance/etc.... I don't agree that they were wearing and therefore being disrespectful to The Flag.
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Old 05-07-2010, 12:25 PM   #2
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I don't agree that they were wearing and therefore being disrespectful to The Flag.
We'll have to disagree on that point. Your link doesn't say what a flag is, or how a flag is constructed, it says what a flag looks like. You can make a flag intended for flying by printing the design on a sheet of polyester or by sewing strips of cotton fabric together and embroidering the stars. You can print one on paper and glue it to a stick to wave in your hand. You can enamel one onto metal to wear as a pin. You can put it on an iron-on patch to apply to a uniform. How is silk screening one onto a t-shirt in the proper proportions suddenly not a flag?

Damn it. I didn't want to have this conversation. I really don't give a shit.
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Old 05-07-2010, 12:43 PM   #3
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Damn it. I didn't want to have this conversation. I really don't give a shit.


Yeah, we're still disagreeing. I think it's a symbol of a symbol... no one does or is expected to maintain their flag t-shirt or pin to the same standards as an actual flag. It's ok if they get dirty and worn or touch the ground etc.. no one would be bothered by that. And ever since the popularity of Tommy Hilfiger, who doesn't have some form of flag clothing or something. Holding these boys to a different standard is nitpicking imo.

Would it be appropriate to send people away from an event or state building for wearing a tshirt with a mexican or canadian or latvian flag on the 4th of July? I don't think so, so why was this move ok? I think that's what the real debate should be about.
Why would mexicans be offended by american flags or boys showing defiant amercican pride on mexican independence day - the 2 things are just not related unless there is underlying animosity. Why didn't the school address this in some positive way - and try to promote mutual understanding? Why didn't they send the angry mexicans away also, if anyone, instead of just the defiant americans?
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:40 PM   #4
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I wonder what the reaction would be to flag designed toilet paper. It's not the flag, so nobody would take offense, I'm sure.

I agree with you jinx that the school was foolish here. They shouldn't have done anything and it was almost certainly political correctness run amok. I think that schools have the right to enforce a dress code and even make spur of the moment calls as they see fit in order to keep disruption to a minimum, but I don't think it was warranted here.
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:26 PM   #5
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i have american flag swim trunks.

HAD> jinx threw them away.
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:28 PM   #6
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They offended me.
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Old 05-07-2010, 02:15 PM   #7
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i have american flag swim trunks.

HAD> jinx threw them away.
You tried to get her to touch the 51st star, didn't you?
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Old 05-13-2010, 03:30 PM   #8
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You tried to get her to touch the 51st star, didn't you?
I don't think so. I think she was just disgusted by the 14th stripe.
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Old 05-07-2010, 03:14 PM   #9
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Students showing their Mexican-American pride walked out of class at Live Oak High School on Thursday, and rallied at the Morgan Hill Civic Center, calling the actions of the students who wore the American T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo offensive. They also demanded to speak with the mayor.

"I think they should apologize because it is a Mexican heritage day," Annicia Nunez, a Live Oak High student, told NBC BayArea. "We don't deserve to be disrespected like that. We wouldn't do that on Fourth of July."

The ignorance of the student above, Annicia Nunez, is quite apparent since school is not in session on the Fourth of July as it is a national holiday in this country.
A holiday which celebrates the fight for the independence of a country that they now live in, and enjoy the benefits thereof.
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Old 05-07-2010, 03:16 PM   #10
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* Update from the Morgan Hill Unified School District Superintendent

"The Morgan Hill Unified School District does not prohibit nor do we discourage wearing patriotic clothing," Dr. Wesley Smith said in a written statement. "The incident on May 5 at Live Oak High School is extremely unfortunate. While campus safety is our primary concern and administrators made decisions yesterday in an attempt to ensure campus safety, students should not, and will not, be disciplined for wearing patriotic clothing. This matter is under investigation and appropriate action will be taken."
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Old 05-07-2010, 03:21 PM   #11
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Oh and then this ...

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A day after five Morgan Hill students were sent home for wearing American flag T-shirts, the controversy erupted ten-fold.

Dozens of students at Live Oak High School made a mass and impromptu walk out of class Thursday. They weren't protesting the ejections and instead were showing their Mexican-American pride. Many support the school's decision and say they were offended by their classmates' wardrobe choice.

Many of the students who walked out Thursday held Mexican flags as they left campus. The said they marching for respect and unity.

"My plan is to bring out the message we are also Americans and we need Americans to show our culture respect of our Hispanic background," student Mike Hernandez said.

The group walked to City Hall for a loud but calm noontime rally. They returned to school in about 90 minutes and finished the day in class.
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Old 05-07-2010, 03:24 PM   #12
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"My plan is to bring out the message we are also Americans
Then don't be offended when someone wears an American flag.
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Old 05-07-2010, 03:32 PM   #13
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Is there an Italian Polish, Russian, German, Irish or Chinese holiday like this?
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Old 05-07-2010, 03:48 PM   #14
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Is there an Irish holiday like this?
Of course there is... we drink beer and wear green. I will be offended if anyone else wears any other color that day... Maybe I should complain to the mayor?
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Old 05-07-2010, 03:51 PM   #15
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On a lighter note . . .

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The school mascot of Live Oak is an Acorn
now that explains everything!
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