93 Year Old WWII Vet Freezes to Death at Home... - Page 3

HungLikeJesus · 01-27-2009, 02:38 PM

The utility didn't shut off the power, they installed a current limiter, which restricts the amount of power he could use.

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A city utility worker had installed a "limiter" device to restrict the use of electricity at Schur's home on Jan. 13, Belleman said. The device limits power reaching a home and blows out like a fuse if consumption rises past a set level. Power is not restored until the device is reset.

dmg1969 · 01-27-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

The utility didn't shut off the power, they installed a current limiter, which restricts the amount of power he could use.

A limiter which shuts off the power if he surpasses the "allowed" useage of power. What is allowed? One space heater? Two space heaters? Hell, he could have been asleep when the limiter killed the power in turn killing him.

I agree that it is a bizarre example and one that fell through the cracks. However, how many times have we heard the phrase "if one innocent person is wrongly executed, it's one too many."? Now...I AM NOT saying he was executed by the electric company!!! I am just making the comparison...one slipping through the cracks like this is one too many. Especially someone this age. It's just terrible.

TheMercenary · 01-27-2009, 03:01 PM

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However, how many times have we heard the phrase "if one innocent person is wrongly executed, it's one too many."? Now...I AM NOT saying he was executed by the electric company!!! I am just making the comparison...one slipping through the cracks like this is one too many. Especially someone this age. It's just terrible.

You can't be serious. We are about to enter the largest age of what is good for the greater masses and not for the individual. Those on the margins of the bell curve will be left off by design. Better get use to it.

dmg1969 · 01-27-2009, 03:06 PM

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You can't be serious. We are about to enter the largest age of what is good for the greater masses and not for the individual. Those on the margins of the bell curve will be left off by design. Better get use to it.

I hope I'm not on the margain. Although I do feel margainilized much of the time.

lookout123 · 01-27-2009, 02:58 PM

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"if one innocent person is wrongly executed, it's one too many."?

You're barking up the wrong tree with me on that one.

dmg1969 · 01-27-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

You're barking up the wrong tree with me on that one.

It was just an example...I'm pro-capital punishment myself.

sweetwater · 01-27-2009, 03:22 PM

If he had a working telephone then he need not have gone without power. The media loves this type of story, and they would have kept the power on. It is a sad story but I'm not going to condemn the utility company unless more damning evidence comes to light. And btw, if I cannot afford electricity, please freeze me in winter rather than cutting off the A/C in summer, okay? Thank you!

piercehawkeye45 · 01-27-2009, 03:25 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if this article had a lot of spin to it since a lot of information was left out. There should have been some contact between the power company and the WWII Vet though, that was a very large mistake (unless that was not included in the article).

TheMercenary, from the picture it looks like he lived in a low density neighborhood. But that could mean anything and that "neighbors should watch neighbors" is a bad argument.

TheMercenary · 01-27-2009, 05:50 PM

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TheMercenary, from the picture it looks like he lived in a low density neighborhood. But that could mean anything and that "neighbors should watch neighbors" is a bad argument.

I didn't say that they should and that was not an arguement I made. What I said was:

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there is the assumption that someone else is always doing the thing that you considered doing yourself, like checking in on the old guy from time to time.

Flint · 01-27-2009, 05:18 PM

What if we had to chop firewood to survive?

piercehawkeye45 · 01-27-2009, 08:04 PM

My wording was bad. I was commenting on the article making the "neighbors should watch neighbors" argument. The only thing I meant to reference to you is the low density neighborhood part.

Aliantha · 01-27-2009, 08:16 PM

And what if he was a very grumpy, irritating and disagreeable old man? If a person has no one in their lives to turn to in times of trouble, chances are they fit the above description.

Maybe he gave the utilities company a serve when he got his overdue notice? Maybe he has a history of not paying bills?

If the utilities company followed normal proceedures, then they've done nothing wrong, particularly if this is an isolated case, which it appears to be. Why blame big business for doing what's considered normal? That being, user pays policies. If you don't pay, you don't get.

monster · 01-27-2009, 08:17 PM

And while we discussed this, how many homeless Americans froze to death on the streets? Perhaps even War vets? Who "should" have looked out for them?

TheMercenary · 01-28-2009, 04:58 PM

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And while we discussed this, how many homeless Americans froze to death on the streets? Perhaps even War vets? Who "should" have looked out for them?

Why would it matter if they were vets?

piercehawkeye45 · 01-27-2009, 09:02 PM

Obama!

01-27-2009, 03:22 PM	#7
sweetwater lives inside a Mobius strip Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,120	If he had a working telephone then he need not have gone without power. The media loves this type of story, and they would have kept the power on. It is a sad story but I'm not going to condemn the utility company unless more damning evidence comes to light. And btw, if I cannot afford electricity, please freeze me in winter rather than cutting off the A/C in summer, okay? Thank you! __________________ I knew I shoulda taken that left turn at Albuquerque! - Bugs Bunny

01-27-2009, 03:25 PM	#8
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	I wouldn't be surprised if this article had a lot of spin to it since a lot of information was left out. There should have been some contact between the power company and the WWII Vet though, that was a very large mistake (unless that was not included in the article). TheMercenary, from the picture it looks like he lived in a low density neighborhood. But that could mean anything and that "neighbors should watch neighbors" is a bad argument. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

01-27-2009, 05:18 PM	#10
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	What if we had to chop firewood to survive? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

01-27-2009, 08:04 PM	#11
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	My wording was bad. I was commenting on the article making the "neighbors should watch neighbors" argument. The only thing I meant to reference to you is the low density neighborhood part. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

01-27-2009, 08:16 PM	#12
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	And what if he was a very grumpy, irritating and disagreeable old man? If a person has no one in their lives to turn to in times of trouble, chances are they fit the above description. Maybe he gave the utilities company a serve when he got his overdue notice? Maybe he has a history of not paying bills? If the utilities company followed normal proceedures, then they've done nothing wrong, particularly if this is an isolated case, which it appears to be. Why blame big business for doing what's considered normal? That being, user pays policies. If you don't pay, you don't get. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-27-2009, 08:17 PM	#13
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	And while we discussed this, how many homeless Americans froze to death on the streets? Perhaps even War vets? Who "should" have looked out for them? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

01-27-2009, 09:02 PM	#15
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Obama! __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

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