Transgender Second Grader - Page 3

monster · 02-18-2008, 08:50 PM

And yes, they don't necessarily know WHY they want what they want, but they know how much they want it.

Does anyone stop a determined "tom boy" these days? Why should it be any different in the reverse?

Further thought makes me wonder about the bathroom thing and how much exaggeration is going on. Round here, all elementary classrooms have a single unisex tiolet attached to each classroom. Even this would be a non-issue. But that said, apparently there are unisex toilets available and if that makes the kid happy and ready to learn and causes no-one else harm.....

monster · 02-18-2008, 08:51 PM

OMFG I agree with radar (well actually he agrees with me, but still....)

binky · 02-18-2008, 09:03 PM

my almost 12 year old daughter, in 3rd grade, was sure she was supposed to have been a boy, but I think this was just tomboy behavior, and the fact that she wasn't girly like the other girls at her school. She is in 6th grade now, and just this year, rejected all her board shorts and boys tshirts. Whew!!

xoxoxoBruce · 02-18-2008, 10:17 PM

A boy named Sue.

monster · 02-18-2008, 10:28 PM

A song from the past.

There's a boy names Sasha on my son's soccer team. He has long blonde hair. Most people assume he's a girl. He doesn't care. He corrects them and moves on. He plays hockey and roughhouses with the rest, but he's not overly aggressive. Nor is he particularly "girly". he's just a kid. A nice kid. A well adjusted, well balanced kid. I wonder how he'd be if his parents had forced a short haircut onto him and drilled him in "the differences between girl and boy behaviours". It's time to discard these gender stereotypes.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-18-2008, 10:47 PM

Sasha doesn't wear dresses and tell people he's a girl.

monster · 02-18-2008, 10:56 PM

Did Sue?

xoxoxoBruce · 02-18-2008, 10:58 PM

No, but he had to learn to fight.

classicman · 02-19-2008, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radar

Your comfort in talking to your kids is less important than someone else's freedom to express themselves or be themselves.

..as long as that freedom of expression is not harmful ... to others. I (strike me now) agree with radar too.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-19-2008, 10:23 AM

So the school and staff giving special treatment to one kid doesn't infringe on the rights of others?

TheMercenary · 02-19-2008, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

So the school and staff giving special treatment to one kid doesn't infringe on the rights of others?

That's how I read it. What a load of crap.

Aliantha · 02-19-2008, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

So the school and staff giving special treatment to one kid doesn't infringe on the rights of others?

I don't think there's enough information to say the child is getting special treatment. From what I read in the article, they've mentioned a unisex bathroom, but that could very well be available to all students.

What rights are being infringed upon?

Clodfobble · 02-18-2008, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster

It's time to discard these gender stereotypes.

Which is precisely why it's silly for him (or his parents, or his teachers, or whoever) to make such an effort to switch to an overbearingly "female" stereotype. Better to say "Being a man doesn't have to mean X" than "No, no, Y means being female so obviously I am a woman."

Happy Monkey · 02-19-2008, 01:20 PM

Which special treatment infringes which rights?

xoxoxoBruce · 02-19-2008, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Which special treatment infringes which rights?

Certainly you aren't naive enough to think this kid isn't going to have the teachers walking on eggs. Just trying to remember to never refer to him as him or her, and making sure none of the other kids insult him. You know he's going to get special attention that detracts from the time spent on other kids. Hell, they are already spending money to send out pamphlets to all the parents.

02-18-2008, 08:50 PM	#1
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	And yes, they don't necessarily know WHY they want what they want, but they know how much they want it. Does anyone stop a determined "tom boy" these days? Why should it be any different in the reverse? Further thought makes me wonder about the bathroom thing and how much exaggeration is going on. Round here, all elementary classrooms have a single unisex tiolet attached to each classroom. Even this would be a non-issue. But that said, apparently there are unisex toilets available and if that makes the kid happy and ready to learn and causes no-one else harm..... __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-18-2008, 08:51 PM	#2
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	OMFG I agree with radar (well actually he agrees with me, but still....) __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-18-2008, 09:03 PM	#3
binky all hollowed out Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ridgecrest, CA Posts: 982	my almost 12 year old daughter, in 3rd grade, was sure she was supposed to have been a boy, but I think this was just tomboy behavior, and the fact that she wasn't girly like the other girls at her school. She is in 6th grade now, and just this year, rejected all her board shorts and boys tshirts. Whew!! __________________ The meanest Mom EVER!!!!

02-18-2008, 10:17 PM	#4
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	A boy named Sue. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-18-2008, 10:28 PM	#5
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	A song from the past. There's a boy names Sasha on my son's soccer team. He has long blonde hair. Most people assume he's a girl. He doesn't care. He corrects them and moves on. He plays hockey and roughhouses with the rest, but he's not overly aggressive. Nor is he particularly "girly". he's just a kid. A nice kid. A well adjusted, well balanced kid. I wonder how he'd be if his parents had forced a short haircut onto him and drilled him in "the differences between girl and boy behaviours". It's time to discard these gender stereotypes. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-18-2008, 10:47 PM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Sasha doesn't wear dresses and tell people he's a girl. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-18-2008, 10:56 PM	#7
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Did Sue? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-18-2008, 10:58 PM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	No, but he had to learn to fight. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-19-2008, 10:23 AM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	So the school and staff giving special treatment to one kid doesn't infringe on the rights of others? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-19-2008, 01:20 PM	#14
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Which special treatment infringes which rights? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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