Revolting? - Page 3

Spexxvet · 05-12-2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

...there are people that will support causes that don't affect them just because they believe in freedom. People that aren't so selfish that they say, well, that's not my problem, it doesn't affect me...

And there are people that won't. Thank you for proving my point.

jinx · 05-12-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Please let's not drift into another gun thread arguement.

Drift? You started the thread with it!

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Originally Posted by Radar

For the best reason of all for having guns... to defend against a tyrannical government and to overthrow it when it becomes necessary.

No matter how unlikely you consider an armed revolt to be - how could you possibly consider it so unlikely that it makes sense to disarm the populace? That's what I don't understand....

Spexxvet · 05-12-2007, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

Drift? You started the thread with it!

Just because the quote had "gun" in it, doesn't mean it's about guns. Are you so obsessed that you made a leap like that?

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Originally Posted by jinx

No matter how unlikely you consider an armed revolt to be - how could you possibly consider it so unlikely that it makes sense to disarm the populace? That's what I don't understand....

Please cite where I've suggested disarming the populace.

jinx · 05-12-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Just because the quote had "gun" in it, doesn't mean it's about guns. Are you so obsessed that you made a leap like that?
Please cite where I've suggested disarming the populace.

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Do you think there could or would be an armed revolt in America?

How do you have an armed revolt if you're not armed?

piercehawkeye45 · 05-12-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

How do you have an armed revolt if you're not armed?

Bombs and illegal guns.

If you were to actually revolt, using legal guns besides rifles and shotguns won't get you very far.

Spexxvet · 05-13-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jinx

How do you have an armed revolt if you're not armed?

Ok, for Jinx, let's all agree that this revolution does not have to be a revolution with guns - wouldn't want anyone else to misconstrue the premise. This revolt can be peaceful, non-violent, or using rock, pointy sticks, or bananas. Now that we've clarified that, let's get on with the POINT of the discussion.

Spexxvet · 05-13-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jinx

How do you have an armed revolt if you're not armed?

BTW, that's a stretch if you're interpreting that to mean I suggested to "disarm the populace".

cowhead · 05-12-2007, 06:31 PM

the thing is.. if there were an affront made the government that was so heinous that it would cause the general public to really rise up.. I'd more than likely go with 'em. anywhoo! I suppose it depends on what level of revolt there was to be, the 2nd gives us the right to bear arms, and from what I understand that was primarily due to the revolutionary war, as a 'just in case clause'.. however military technology (that which the government owns) vs. that which we (the general public owns) would make it a short open fight, however... as seen in iraq and afghanistan a protracted and intense revolution is well within the possibilities. but I personally am not picking up a gun and picking a fight until it's really needed.

(and in my opinion there have been some affronts that are tantamount to that. and I for one am offended that I and more people haven't stood up and said "hey! what the fuck is that! that's not my country! keep that shit up and I'll have something to say with lead.. and not from a pencil)

Undertoad · 05-12-2007, 06:47 PM

In this country we change stuff through elections. The time to worry is when they cancel the elections.

piercehawkeye45 · 05-13-2007, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

In this country we change stuff through elections. The time to worry is when they cancel the elections.

The problem is that we only have two parties that are basically the same in the larger picture and are controlled by corporations and the upper class. It would be nearly extremely hard for a socialist party to get any support if America did shift that way.

Spexxvet · 05-15-2007, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

In this country we change stuff through elections. The time to worry is when they cancel the elections.

The 2000 election wasn't "cancelled", but many people feel it was "stolen". Shouldn't there have been more outrage?

05-15-2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

The 2000 election wasn't "cancelled", but many people feel it was "stolen". Shouldn't there have been more outrage?

I could not have been more outraged.

Undertoad · 05-13-2007, 11:02 AM

No worries: if it did shift that way, the parties would shift too.

piercehawkeye45 · 05-13-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

No worries: if it did shift that way, the parties would shift too.

Very slowly if it ever does. I have become very skeptical of how far the parties are allowed to go without going down the drain.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-13-2007, 01:56 PM

Probably pretty far as long as we're all going down the drain together. When some are and some are not, going down the drain, resentment causes trouble.

05-12-2007, 06:31 PM	#8
cowhead halve your cake and eat it too. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Georgia.. by way of Lawrence Kansas Posts: 1,359	the thing is.. if there were an affront made the government that was so heinous that it would cause the general public to really rise up.. I'd more than likely go with 'em. anywhoo! I suppose it depends on what level of revolt there was to be, the 2nd gives us the right to bear arms, and from what I understand that was primarily due to the revolutionary war, as a 'just in case clause'.. however military technology (that which the government owns) vs. that which we (the general public owns) would make it a short open fight, however... as seen in iraq and afghanistan a protracted and intense revolution is well within the possibilities. but I personally am not picking up a gun and picking a fight until it's really needed. (and in my opinion there have been some affronts that are tantamount to that. and I for one am offended that I and more people haven't stood up and said "hey! what the fuck is that! that's not my country! keep that shit up and I'll have something to say with lead.. and not from a pencil) __________________ no my child.. this is not my desire..I'm digging for fire.

05-13-2007, 01:56 PM	#15
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Probably pretty far as long as we're all going down the drain together. When some are and some are not, going down the drain, resentment causes trouble. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	In this country we change stuff through elections. The time to worry is when they cancel the elections.

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Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	No worries: if it did shift that way, the parties would shift too.

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