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Originally Posted by Beestie

But that is what AA is. Take out the religion out and there's nothing left.

Don't criticize AA. It has helped countless alcoholics (including a family member) gain control over their addiction. If an alcoholic is not comfortable with the 12 steps then they are free to seek support elsewhere. Its not like they have a monopoly on addiction treatment.

I am free to criticize what the numbers show does not work.
AA is a cult.



Jesus stated those that did not follow his path should die and supported slavery, those out too?
Cherry picking and making it up as you go along must be fun.

[Aliantha]

I always thought it was a place where alcoholics got together to support each other through thier recovery. I had no idea there was so much god in it. I suppose I'd have to spend a lot of money on a rehab clinic if I realized I had an alcohol problem and needed help.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
...The Old testament is out, except for Jews

Cool, no Commandments! Sounds like a party.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Cool, no Commandments! Sounds like a party.

Jesus gave Christians one commandment. "Love thy neighbor as thy self." That's it, that's the only rule. Does every Christian follow it to the letter, hell no. Some try harder than others, but you are only required to try, not to succeed.

I hope my neighbor isn't in to beating himself with chains.

[busterb]

Your will is what you need, not religion.

My undestanding of AA is, you pick your higher power. Anything to get you on the road.
Will power. KZr drink a bottle of castor oil an keep saying. I'm not going to shit. See where your will power is then!

That means nothing.
Not the same as saying I am not going to take a drink today.
My will power has been fine with that.
The AA line of "real" and "not real" alcoholics is a joke. Just a way for them to cop-out of their failures and, worse yet, other's successes.

[Aliantha]

It's not? Well, it sounds very confusing to me now and I'm not trying to be a smart arse here. I seriously just thought AA was where people got to gether to support each other. I don't know much about it to be honest because in truth, it's not a big thing over here. We're all alcoholics so I don't think there's enough room for us all in therapy. We're also a godless bunch over here, so any treatment programs there are definitely don't focus on any kind of 'higher power' other than will power and inner strength etc. All those things that we're all blessed with but lose track of from time to time.

What the hell is a higher power if not a god?
I have never bitched about a bar saying people cannot smoke if they don't want.
I bitch when the government won't let a private business let people smoke on their private property when they want them to. ANYONE with private property should be allowed to let anyone smoke on their property.
AA gets government money, people are forced by the courts to go to that religious cult, go AND COMPLETE IT. That is called government induced indoctrination.
There is no higher power.
Again... why could that not just help me without the superstition stuff if they were not about religion?
I take it you have never read the Big Book?
It is WAY about religion. No one said Christian, though that is what the founders wanted.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Remember rkzenrage bitching about the government saying people aren't allowed to smoke in a bar (private business) even if the owner wants them to be allowed.

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I have never bitched about a bar saying people cannot smoke if they don't want.
I bitch when the government won't let a private business let people smoke on their private property when they want them to.

Read for comprehension.

[busterb]

AA gets government money

Show me the money.
I think your getting into what people twist most programs into? Some AA groups won't let dopers in. Why? Because of a few narrow minded SOBs that alway have to fuck things up. They read the big book like some assholes read the bible.

Narcanon is Scientology, BTW, and equally as screwed-up.

So, if the OT is out, then homosexuality is not an abomination in any way. (Romans was referring to Leviticus)

[Trilby]

ok--who here has actually GONE to an AA meeting? Raise your hands.

I'm 43--I went to AA when I was 19. OBVIOUSLY it didn't fucking work for me and, personally, i hate those fuckers.

Now. Does that mean those who ARE successful in AA should give up and resume their alcoholic lives because Rkz says AA "doesn't work"-?
Fuck you rkz. You wouldn't know a your ass from a hole in the ground.

BTW--here's a read for you---I HATE YOU-DON'T LEAVE ME! check it out.

Originally Posted by Brianna

ok--who here has actually GONE to an AA meeting? Raise your hands.

I'm 43--I went to AA when I was 19. OBVIOUSLY it didn't fucking work for me and, personally, i hate those fuckers.

Now. Does that mean those who ARE successful in AA should give up and resume their alcoholic lives because Rkz says AA "doesn't work"-?
Fuck you rkz. You wouldn't know a your ass from a hole in the ground.

BTW--here's a read for you---I HATE YOU-DON'T LEAVE ME! check it out.

Well, I still like you, even if I disagree with you sometimes, and I don't read nutty stuff into your posts.
I think people should get help where they don't want to indoctrinate them with crap that has nothing to do with getting over their addiction.
Wow, hate, whew.
I have no trouble being alone, I enjoy it, to a fault and am as far from borderline as one can get. I am very forgiving, yet once one crosses the line they are dead to me. I do not tolerate chaos in my life.