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Trilby · 10-09-2006, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marichiko

[b]The Swiss government has condemned a nuclear test carried out by North Korea, and said Switzerland is ready to support United Nations sanctions against Pyongyang.

So...no chocolate or fine watches for them!

Bullitt · 10-09-2006, 02:30 PM

And forget about sweet red knives!

piercehawkeye45 · 10-09-2006, 03:02 PM

For that first link that says the test was a dud, I wouldn't take that too seriously. If NK was to make a test a nuclear weapon they aren't going to waste a lot of money to make it as big as possible just to test underground, it would be pointless. He also quoted that the missle test was a fail. Did he ever think that NK was planning on it stopping after 42 seconds. One, they don't have the space as other countries to test ICBMs and two, they wouldn't want the US to find their technology and really know how much they know. Anyone that has common sense would have had the missle stop in NK territory so the technology doesn't fall into wrong hands.

Also stop being paranoid about being attacked. If NK sends a nuke to the US it would be sucide because no country would stop the US, even China. Even if they did attack the US it wouldn't be New York or DC, it would be in Seattle or some California city.

BigV · 10-09-2006, 03:05 PM

Thanks. I'm very relieved.

yesman065 · 10-09-2006, 03:42 PM

Duh!! NK isn't going to attack us - They are going to sell the shit to the freakin terroroists!!! Hellooooooo $$$MONEY$$$ is what they want - money and power - they have no interest in attacking us - they'll let the fanatics do it for 'em.

Happy Monkey · 10-09-2006, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaggieL

TNT has high enough brisance that it would be difficult to distinguish from a nuke from seismic data alone.

That would probably depend on how tightly it was packed. But if they were really trying to simulate a nuke, it probably would be difficult to differentiate.

richlevy · 10-09-2006, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaggieL

Not quite. NK got their nuke tech while Clinton was playing kissy-face with them...that wasn't reversed. Bush just refused to be blackmailed by NK's "feed our people or we'll start tossing nukes".

"Once you pay the Danegeld, you will never be rid of the Dane".

Funny, but I heard some talking head blaming the NK nukes on Kerry!

Anybody but the President and party in power for the past 6 years.

10-09-2006, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna

So...no chocolate or fine watches for them!

Don't forget that yummy Swiss cheese, either. The point is that the Swiss are fanatic about maintaining their stance as a neutral country. The Swiss only joined the UN in 2002, and that was after a huge controvesy which was resolved by holding a Swiss national vote to join or not. That the Swiss would actually agree with Jr. in condemning something shows just how great the out-rage is on a global level - not just the US is mad at them; EVERYONE is!

PS To Bullitt - I doubt that the average N. Korean could afford one of those knives, anyhow. Probably it would cost them an entire year's salary.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-09-2006, 06:54 PM

Don't forget Switzerland is where Kim has his wallet stashed.

Small (suitcase) nukes are more salable to terrorists.

If it was a nuke there should be some radiation readings soon.

tw · 10-09-2006, 10:07 PM

Was it a nuke? Was it just TNT? Why are serious (not Fox News type) reporters asking this question? Start with why N Korea warned of this test so long ago. N Korea knows that no matter what happens in six way talks, the US will only do, again, what they did to the Jimmy Carter settlement. The only way that N Korea can open to the world is to eliminate the only nation that subverted a previous - almost successful - agreement.

First point: North Korea is demanding something so simple - two way talks only with the US. And as long as George Jr acts belligerent, then the cost increases to bring N Korea back into the world.

Second point is a legitamate queston: was that nuke real? N Korea has very good reason to explode anything and declare it nuclear because their only demand is two way talks with the US. Their demand is not, for one minute, extraordinary.

Whether this blast was nuclear or conventional can be determined from its geological signals. However, that means a complex analysis of existing N Korean geology must first be conducted. An analysis that could take months (although the analysis may have started long ago).

So what was this nuke? Third point: by now everyone here knows that even spend nuclear fuel from power plants can be used to make a bomb. The atomic bomb over Hiroshima had uranium only that poorly refined. But crudely refined uranium means the bomb must be large - far too large for a missile.

N Korea has a long way to go before a nuclear weapon can be placed on a missile. However those who decide using fear would have you forget that fact.

This N Korean nuclear test is not a threat to anyone. But it again demonstrates how dangerous the world gets when extremist type leaders would advocate pre-emption, "Mission Accomplished" wars and outrightly denies negotiation (do to a political agenda and a 'big dic' mindset). Like those missile tests last 4 July 2006 - this explosion (nuclear or conventional) is only a message to you. Do you want responsible leaders who can avert war (as Jimmy Carter did) or do you want more 'Pearl Harbors'?

The longer that the US snubs North Korea requests for negotiations, then the greater this risk becomes. And the more expensive a solution becomes. Another tribute to that mental midget who gave an 'axis of evil' speech - to intentionaly create instability and nuclear proliferation. (Same president also wants to reward India for their nuclear program.)

Fourth point: if we don't start bringing N Korea into the world, then this is as inevitable as the civil war in Iraq. N Korea will eventually put nuclear weapons on missiles. A situation that is completely avoidable now if we start by condemning, for example, the 'we want war' attitudes expressed by California's congressman Rohrbaugh on a BBC interview.

Four points made: 1) was it really nuclear, 2) why did they do this after so much warning, 3) what really is the threat, and 4) what should be our long term objectives rather than our current 'big dic' 'we fear to negotiate' attitude.

Jimmy Carter showed how all this could have been avoided. George Jr promotes an agenda that has no strategic objective and therefore can only create war as its final solution.

Undertoad · 10-13-2006, 09:42 AM

Many reports this morning that there is still no nuclear evidence from the event. Either it was a dud or it's a fake.

It seems to me this case is ideal for the world. The Norks have only proven incompetence or trickery, which will not make their customers happy at all.

Hippikos · 10-13-2006, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaggieL

Not quite. NK got their nuke tech while Clinton was playing kissy-face with them...that wasn't reversed. Bush just refused to be blackmailed by NK's "feed our people or we'll start tossing nukes".

"Once you pay the Danegeld, you will never be rid of the Dane".

They did their first nuke test while Bush was in Guvmint, what blackmail? It proves that Bush's strategy did quite the opposite and at the same time losing his face, big time!

mrnoodle · 10-13-2006, 11:10 AM

This is an easy fix. We tell China to reign in their lapdog or we will make Japan and S. Korea nuclear powers. Someone mentioned this on the news last night, and I like it.

10-13-2006, 11:55 AM

Oh, goody! The Japanese could become kamakazi pilots again. The radioactive cloud would probably drift right over Japan, but who cares? Not until it reaches Cali, anyhow. And nuclear China would be real happy, too. There's little love lost between the Japanese and the Chinese. Yes, brilliant thought, Noodle.

Hippikos · 10-13-2006, 03:43 PM

Quote:

We tell China to reign in their lapdog

1) China ain´t be told anything by anybody
2) The Norks are not a lapdog, but rather a buffer zone between China and the 20,000 US troops in Sork.

10-09-2006, 02:30 PM	#32
Bullitt This is a fully functional babe lair Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,324	And forget about sweet red knives! __________________ Kiss my white Irish ass.

10-09-2006, 03:05 PM	#34
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	Thanks. I'm very relieved. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

10-09-2006, 06:54 PM	#39
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Don't forget Switzerland is where Kim has his wallet stashed. Small (suitcase) nukes are more salable to terrorists. If it was a nuke there should be some radiation readings soon. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-09-2006, 10:07 PM	#40
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Was it a nuke? Was it just TNT? Why are serious (not Fox News type) reporters asking this question? Start with why N Korea warned of this test so long ago. N Korea knows that no matter what happens in six way talks, the US will only do, again, what they did to the Jimmy Carter settlement. The only way that N Korea can open to the world is to eliminate the only nation that subverted a previous - almost successful - agreement. First point: North Korea is demanding something so simple - two way talks only with the US. And as long as George Jr acts belligerent, then the cost increases to bring N Korea back into the world. Second point is a legitamate queston: was that nuke real? N Korea has very good reason to explode anything and declare it nuclear because their only demand is two way talks with the US. Their demand is not, for one minute, extraordinary. Whether this blast was nuclear or conventional can be determined from its geological signals. However, that means a complex analysis of existing N Korean geology must first be conducted. An analysis that could take months (although the analysis may have started long ago). So what was this nuke? Third point: by now everyone here knows that even spend nuclear fuel from power plants can be used to make a bomb. The atomic bomb over Hiroshima had uranium only that poorly refined. But crudely refined uranium means the bomb must be large - far too large for a missile. N Korea has a long way to go before a nuclear weapon can be placed on a missile. However those who decide using fear would have you forget that fact. This N Korean nuclear test is not a threat to anyone. But it again demonstrates how dangerous the world gets when extremist type leaders would advocate pre-emption, "Mission Accomplished" wars and outrightly denies negotiation (do to a political agenda and a 'big dic' mindset). Like those missile tests last 4 July 2006 - this explosion (nuclear or conventional) is only a message to you. Do you want responsible leaders who can avert war (as Jimmy Carter did) or do you want more 'Pearl Harbors'? The longer that the US snubs North Korea requests for negotiations, then the greater this risk becomes. And the more expensive a solution becomes. Another tribute to that mental midget who gave an 'axis of evil' speech - to intentionaly create instability and nuclear proliferation. (Same president also wants to reward India for their nuclear program.) Fourth point: if we don't start bringing N Korea into the world, then this is as inevitable as the civil war in Iraq. N Korea will eventually put nuclear weapons on missiles. A situation that is completely avoidable now if we start by condemning, for example, the 'we want war' attitudes expressed by California's congressman Rohrbaugh on a BBC interview. Four points made: 1) was it really nuclear, 2) why did they do this after so much warning, 3) what really is the threat, and 4) what should be our long term objectives rather than our current 'big dic' 'we fear to negotiate' attitude. Jimmy Carter showed how all this could have been avoided. George Jr promotes an agenda that has no strategic objective and therefore can only create war as its final solution. Last edited by tw; 10-10-2006 at 12:00 AM.

10-13-2006, 11:10 AM	#43
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	This is an easy fix. We tell China to reign in their lapdog or we will make Japan and S. Korea nuclear powers. Someone mentioned this on the news last night, and I like it. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

10-09-2006, 03:02 PM	#33
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	For that first link that says the test was a dud, I wouldn't take that too seriously. If NK was to make a test a nuclear weapon they aren't going to waste a lot of money to make it as big as possible just to test underground, it would be pointless. He also quoted that the missle test was a fail. Did he ever think that NK was planning on it stopping after 42 seconds. One, they don't have the space as other countries to test ICBMs and two, they wouldn't want the US to find their technology and really know how much they know. Anyone that has common sense would have had the missle stop in NK territory so the technology doesn't fall into wrong hands. Also stop being paranoid about being attacked. If NK sends a nuke to the US it would be sucide because no country would stop the US, even China. Even if they did attack the US it wouldn't be New York or DC, it would be in Seattle or some California city.

10-09-2006, 03:42 PM	#35
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	Duh!! NK isn't going to attack us - They are going to sell the shit to the freakin terroroists!!! Hellooooooo $$$MONEY$$$ is what they want - money and power - they have no interest in attacking us - they'll let the fanatics do it for 'em.

10-13-2006, 09:42 AM	#41
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Many reports this morning that there is still no nuclear evidence from the event. Either it was a dud or it's a fake. It seems to me this case is ideal for the world. The Norks have only proven incompetence or trickery, which will not make their customers happy at all.

10-13-2006, 11:55 AM	#44
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	Oh, goody! The Japanese could become kamakazi pilots again. The radioactive cloud would probably drift right over Japan, but who cares? Not until it reaches Cali, anyhow. And nuclear China would be real happy, too. There's little love lost between the Japanese and the Chinese. Yes, brilliant thought, Noodle.

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