Cure found for cancer?

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

My personal opinion is that 90% of the battle is fought by the mind anyway...

Norman Cousins was diagnosed with terminal cancer (a not so well known celebrity) and was finishing out his days when he decided to order a copy of all the Three Stooges films ever made. He watched all of them and laughed more than he had ever laughed in his life.

The cancer went into full remission. No one can be sure that his good spirits chased the cancer away or wether a physiological justification exists for what happened but nonetheless it happened. One's mental attitude seems to have some kind of effect on cancer.

[annoyedsas]

Okay, my last posting because I am in total disbelief of the majority of responses I have read about beating cancer. It is a lOT to do with the power of the mind. When I was told I had a brain tumour in Sept. 2004 and wasn't supposed to even see Christmas that year I walked out of that office and said Fuck you lot. Wait and see. I have a very strong will. I had the chemo and radio. It made me very sick. I am now taking: DHEA compound; Pic-Mins (mineral supplement); Arctic Distilled Cod Liver Oil; Methyl-Guard;Deluxe Scavingers; Vitamin C; Evening Primrose Oil – 500mg 3 times a day;Vitamin E Capsules – 1000mg 3 times a day;1 Lemon Juice a day - pure fresh squeezed 'neat';powder of: Withania somnifera - Cytoprotective for normal cells, anti-inflammatory, antitumour, general tonic
Astragalus membranaceus - immune stimulant, potentiates the action of
chemo-therapeutics
Bacopa monniera - excellent anti-inflammatory, reduces fitting in epilepsy
Taraxacum officinalis - Liver tonic
Silybum marianum - Hepatoprotective, restores damaged liver cell function
Curcuma longa (turmeric) - Anti carcinogenic, activates phase 2 liver enzymes, helps restore positive gut flora. – 9 capsules daily (capsules are 00 size);Antioxidant powder – 6 capsules daily;Sheep Sorrel Combination tea; and dare I say it Apricot kernals.
Aliantha, I am truely sorry for your loss and I think that the clinic you attended were just out for money. It is disgusting they should do such a thing. Well, that's all folks. Interesting writing to you all.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by annoyedsas

I had the chemo and radio.

Huh.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Probably meant radiation.

You Cellarites should be ashamed of yourselves for not falling prostrate and taking notes before annoyedsas.

Of course he/she is taking a plethoria of alternative cures, and doesn't know which are helping and which are not...or maybe even hurting.
He/she doesn't know if any of this will help or hurt you but that doesn't stop him/her from being an expert who must be believed and obeyed.

He/she sounds like a former...you know, former smoker, former drinker, former sinner.....

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by annoyedsas

I am now taking:

• DHEA compound
• Pic-Mins (mineral supplement)
• Arctic Distilled Cod Liver Oil
• Methyl-Guard;Deluxe Scavingers
• Vitamin C
• Evening Primrose Oil – 500mg 3 times a day
• Vitamin E Capsules – 1000mg 3 times a day
• 1 Lemon Juice a day - pure fresh squeezed 'neat'
• powder of: Withania somnifera - Cytoprotective for normal cells, anti-inflammatory, antitumour, general tonic
• Astragalus membranaceus - immune stimulant, potentiates the action of chemo-therapeutics
• Bacopa monniera - excellent anti-inflammatory, reduces fitting in epilepsy
• Taraxacum officinalis - Liver tonic
• Silybum marianum - Hepatoprotective, restores damaged liver cell function
• Curcuma longa (turmeric) - Anti carcinogenic, activates phase 2 liver enzymes, helps restore positive gut flora. – 9 capsules daily (capsules are 00 size)
• Antioxidant powder – 6 capsules daily
• Sheep Sorrel Combination tea
• Apricot kernals.

Sounds like you'll take any pill anybody reccommends, as long as they have no credentials.

[annoyedsas]

why don't you all fuck off and get a bent disease? I hope that none of you ever find a cure to anything you get. And Happy Monkey won't be happy anymore.

Undertoad - are you a physician? Doctor? Anything special other than a host to a stupid full of Amercian crap chat?

Originally Posted by annoyedsas

Once we talk science and logic, that statement doesn't fly. 2+2=4 even if my opinion is that 2+2=5. What is the physiology behind such a thing happening? How could it cause a branch in you while reducing tumors in so many other people? Do you deny that others are cured using "traditional" means?!

Oh, Grow Up

[Aliantha]

I really wish you well annoyedsas. If you can beat it then good luck to you. It really doesn't matter what anyone else says. As long as you believe it and it's working for you, let the skeptics go.

My own opinion isn't what yours is, but it doesn't mean that either is less valid. Living life the best way you can is what matters and it seems to me you're doing the best you can. I'm glad the good spirits are watching over you.

[Undertoad]

Do you know what that did? Caused a third lesion to branch off deeper into the brain, inoperable and no more radiation possible which is why I looked to go alternative.

What is the physiology behind such a thing happening? How could it cause a branch in you while reducing tumors in so many other people? Do you deny that others are cured using "traditional" means?

My own opinion isn't what yours is, but it doesn't mean that either is less valid.

Once we talk science and logic, that statement doesn't fly. 2+2=4 even if my opinion is that 2+2=5.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

How could it cause a branch in you while reducing tumors in so many other people?

Are you suggesting that radiation doesn't cause cancer - or that it doesn't kill it?

Do you deny that others are cured using "traditional" means?

if that girl gets better, for whatever reason... there will be no convincing her the turtle didn't do it.

Substitute turtle for "traditional" means.

If placebos work so well, why would anyone pay so much for the "traditional" drugs that are frequently removed from the market after the FDA figures out they do more harm than good?

[Undertoad]

Radiation causes cancer in one way, reduces it in another; chemicals cause cancer in one way, reduce it in another. I doubt they gave annoyedsas the versions that cause it.

Merely saying "I did this and I'm cured" is proof enough for some, but not for me and not for traditional medicine either. They apply higher standards and that's why the survival rate has increased so dramatically.

Higher standards than annoyedsas, who apparently now says I need to be a doctor to demand to discuss the physiology. Which is really ironic, since if I was a doctor I would be a part of the system he seems to dislike so thoroughly, and he would surely find a reason to ignore me on that basis.

Placebos work well, but not better than cures. We know this with confidence because almost every single drug in the system is rigorously blind-tested for effectiveness against placebo.

[jinx]

When/how did "they" figure out that ionizing radiation in combo with anti-cancer drugs was highly carcinogencic? Are you sure that it wasn't by experimenting on cancer patients, like annoyedsas? I don't know...

[Undertoad]

Well yeah, the fuzzy area for testing would be on highly terminal diseases.

[Aliantha]

I've been having a think about this thread over the last couple of days and I wanted to put something to the other members besides annoyedsas.

Can you imagine how you'd feel if you did indeed have cancer? If so, if you thought you had a cure for it, don't you think you'd want to tell the world? And if it came to that and someone tried to tell you that your idea is loopy, don't you think that your reaction would be hostile simply because when you're facing death head on and someone tells you that the exit door you have in mind isn't working, you either have to go ahead and try it for yourself, or accept that there's no point and simply give up.

Which would you choose?

For my mind, I'd say if I had to choose one or the other, I'd keep charging forward, and I'm pretty sure most other people would choose that option also. This leads me to the real point of this post.

Where's the compassion? Maybe you think the particular poster is a crank or a loony, but what if he/she is not? What if this person is fair dinkum? How will you feel if your negativity causes him/her to go along with your line of thinking and they start to doubt their own treatment which leads to their death? Who can really say what might or might not cure cancer?

It seems to me there's a lot of grey area still with that particular disease, and if someone finds something that works for them, then anyone associated should either be supportive or back off, just as with cancer you either live or die. 90% of the cure is in the mind anyway, but then, that's just my opinion.

[Undertoad]

If we really want to cure cancer, we can't afford that sort of compassion, where someone is entitled to be thought of as possibly more correct simply because they have the disease.

Thousands of other diseases are no longer such mysteries and are no longer killers because we applied good science to the problem. Cancer is no longer the certain killer that it once was because we applied good science to the problem.

It seems harsh and thoughtless to tell a victim s/he is wrong. But the very worst thing that we can do is to start taking anecdotal cases seriously out of compassion. If we do, we will create more victims by pushing bad science.

It is important for us to be active participants in our own health. But when we do we should approach the problem with relentless proven facts. If the medical system fails us because it is an economic disaster, we should not abandon the medical science that was developed despite the system.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kim

I have been researching Vitamin B-17 and have followed many stories who have cured themselves from cancer. This can't be coincidental.

Yes it can. Does every cancer patient who takes B17 survive cancer? Does every cancer patient who doesn't take B17 die of cancer? If the answer to either of those questions is no, then the stories are worthless - there are other stories you aren't looking for that have B17-takers dying or non-B17-takers recovering. You need a scientific study to determine whether the B17 increases the chances of recovery or not.

You can't patent a fruit, a seed or a vitamin.

Yes you can. Not that I think you should be able to, but you can. And even if there is a non-patentable but good source, non-patented medicine is a huge business as well.

This would be the end to a multi-billion dollar business worldwide.

How about the "alternative medicine" business? They make billions, too, and they don't even have to spend any of it on research. Just marketing.

But more directly - a study of B17 would be easy. It wouldn't require the resources of a huge pharmaceutical giant. A tenured professor at a medical school could get a grant from any number of sources and do it himself. If he finds a cure, he gets a Nobel prize, almost guaranteed. Whatever school he is affiliated with becomes the school that cured cancer.

edit - ah, well. so long Kim.