Anger Over Mohammed Cartoon

[WabUfvot5]

My contribution. I'll be buying Jarlsberg cheese (heard the muslims were going to stop buying that because Norwegians are so horrible) at the store tomorrow to show my support.

I still can't figure out why these nutters haven't been up in arms that all women aren't covered up from head to toe. Aren't we being blasphemous by not doing that? Or do they just need a reason to push their ideas onto others?

[Beestie]

The sad fact of the matter is that Islam does not forbid (nor did Mohammed in his day) the depiction of icons in non-religious contexts. But, tell that to one-hundred thousand ignorant, uneducated, sun-baked cretins and all you'll get is a number. A number somewhere between the number drawn by the duped Muslim virgin scheduled to be caned for being screwed by a Muslim male who gets enthusiastic high-fives while his notch gets blood-soaked cane whips and the number fate deals to a foreign journalist scheduled to have his head lopped off for catching the wrong cab.

A religion of peace? More like a religion of blood and body parts. I openly scoff at this preemptive simulation proffered by Islam to disguise its core dependence on conflict. And while enlightened Muslims silently loathe their headline-hogging, primordial brethren, their vocal cords are stretched to the breaking point the minute a non-Muslim probe explores the nerve leading to the internal paradox upon which their piety rests.

I have no desire to disentangle the Gordian knot Islamic fundamentalism created to sustain itself by manufacturing offenses designed to substantiate a characterization of non-pious Muslims as Infidels. Without Infidels, fundamentalist Islam has no basis so it becomes imperative to create a perpetual supply of them. While Zion has served quite nicely as the requisite straw man in this epistemological closed loop, fundamentalist Islam is spreading its wings and is feasting on the unlimited Infidelistic potential of America and its co-conspiritors.

Seizing on this, Imams in Madrassahs and Mosques across the Quo'ran belt and in the belly of the beast itself (right here in DC for example) can't demonize the West enough. In so doing, otherwise nonexistent lines of distinction between pious Muslims and Infidels are created and clarified in terms the ignorant masses can internalize. Creating a synthetic enemy justifies Islam. The absence of an enemy would lead to the downfall of Islam since its very existence is based upon identifying and eventually terminating Infidels.

All I can say at this point is that the only defense available to the Western World against the unbridled rage fueling the Islamic furnace of hate is to starve them economically.

What I think a lot of legislators overlook is that peace is, by implication, detrimental to the continuity of Islam. Islam whips itself into a frenzy in reaction to the cartoon (even though it violates no Islamic tenant) because it adds to the inventory of Infidels to hate. And hate is the mother's milk of Islam

And the more the West kisses Islam's behind, the more determined Islam becomes to reject the overture since accepting the gesture requires Islam to poison the very well from which it drinks.

No infidels. No Islam. I say we give them what they want - a reason to exist. If Islam is slow to forgive this, IMHO, is why. It is not possible to make peace with someone who's very existence depends on the absence of peace.

So be it.

Not unlike the instantaneous credibility afforded to the hillbilly who won the Powerball lottery, Islamofascism enjoys a spotlight and an undeserved seat at the world's table by virtue of geological blind luck. But, the liquid luck sustaining this undeserved celebrity privilege is finite.

So, the world has to deal with these bozos until their subterranean trust fund runs dry. History will acknowledge in a footnote how they bought their way into civilization's timeline as well as their pending return to the barren patch of parched earth that serves as an appropriate metaphor for what they contributed to it.

[xoxoxoBruce]

C'mon Beestie, don't hold back. Tell us what you really think of them.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Beestie

All I can say at this point is that the only defense available to the Western World against the unbridled rage fueling the Islamic furnace of hate is to starve them economically.

To rise to power, Nazis attacked the intelligencia and merchant classes so as to empower the naive. How did Milosevic inspire racial hate in the Balkans? Rush Limbaugh types currently do the same thing in America. Just because a propaganda technique is working, you would disparage all 1930s Germans and all 2000s Americans? Of course not.

Not all Islamic people are so narrow minded. And yet you would punish all for sins of the naive? That is a 'sure fire' formula to promote hate and war. Same trick used by Sharon to restart the intafada.

Take apart this controversy with a scalpel rather than painting all with a broad brush. First, some of those comics are really lame. They deserve 'censure' by art critics. Second, seek common ground to defuse tensions. Except for one comic, the whole bunch is pathetic nonsense - no humor, no insight, no redeeming value.

Meanwhile, simply ignore Rush Limbaughs of the Islamic world so they will vaporize. Worrying about such extremists only empower those extremists at the expense of intelligent Muslims. Where is my criticism? At those comics that are not funny even to those with infantile humor.

Those comics should have been condemned by comic critics. Now we have people getting emotional over really bad art.

Remember an exhibit by Chris Ofili in Brooklyn featuring a Virgin Mary painted in elephant dung? Once we ignored it, the problem quickly disseminated.

Those comics are much to do about nothing. Too many people are paying attention to something that will disappear if simply ignored. It exists only due to Rush Limbaugh type hate.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

Not all Islamic people are so narrow minded. And yet you would punish all for sins of the naive?

Most of us only know/see the ones in the news, like the ones in the pictures in this thread. That's because the ones who don't approve or agree with the protesters are very silent. That dosen't leave us anyone to point at other than the bad guys. There isn't two groups standing up so we can say, ok, these are good muslims and those are bad ones. We'd have to make the assumption that the non-protesters don't agree with the protesters, and we know that's not necessarily true.

The sales of that Danish dairy went from several hundred million dollars a year to zero in five days. I'd bet it was a matter of peer pressure, maybe even thugs at the market, that caused that rapid decline. But how do we prove that? How do we prove any muslims don't agree with the protest when they are very silent?

Take apart this controversy with a scalpel rather than painting all with a broad brush. First, some of those comics are really lame. They deserve 'censure' by art critics.

As I understand it, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, the "cartoons" were a smartass reply to the guy at the newspaper that decried the lack of response to his request for someone(s) to illustrate his book.
I don't believe they were meant to be cartoons, like we know them, neither funny, political or otherwise. But I could be wrong.

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by tw

Take apart this controversy with a scalpel rather than painting all with a broad brush.

Point taken.

[xoxoxoBruce]

What is that, Buster?

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by Beestie

All I can say at this point is that the only defense available to the Western World against the unbridled rage fueling the Islamic furnace of hate is to starve them economically.

Why do you think these people are currently in an uproar over a handful of editorial cartoons?

Paris didn't erupt into riots because a couple of teenagers died during a police chase just as the Los Angeles riots weren't about a man being beaten by police officers. The events that touched off these waves of violence are nothing but breaking points and so I say there is a lot more to this than some foolish drawings. Social standing, economics, quality of life, and pressure from political forces are behind this. Want to piss them off even more, drive them to more suicide bombers? Try doing exactly what has enraged these people for many decades: starve them economically and restrict their trade.

Just my guess.

[busterb]

Why "ya'll" pickin on my redneck?
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[fargon]

Originally Posted by Kitsune

Why do you think these people are currently in an uproar over a handful of editorial cartoons?

Paris didn't erupt into riots because a couple of teenagers died during a police chase just as the Los Angeles riots weren't about a man being beaten by police officers. The events that touched off these waves of violence are nothing but breaking points and so I say there is a lot more to this than some foolish drawings. Social standing, economics, quality of life, and pressure from political forces are behind this. Want to piss them off even more, drive them to more suicide bombers? Try doing exactly what has enraged these people for many decades: starve them economically and restrict their trade.

Just my guess.

Maybe what we need to do is restrict their trade and starve them economically. When these people started showing up, we embraced them and welcomed them into our country, and even gave their children priority admission to our colleges and universities. How did they repay our kindness? By telling us that we are stupid and beneath their contempt.

My sister Widget, had a b/f from the UAE who ran up a $1400 phone bill calling his friends back home. When she asked him to pay his bill he beat her up and slashed the tires on her car. I had to pay the phone bill, and replace her tires. I went to collect money from this turd. When he saw me he called the cops. The cop that showed up told me to go home (CGC Point Hobart) and don't come back. This piece of shit had some kind of diplomatic immunity and was untouchable.

I decided at that time these people were shit. From that minute on, I have tried to avoid contact with them. In the mid 80s they started taking over the taxi business in SoCal, and used terror tactics to try and put me out of business. These aren't isolated incidents. In my experience, this is the typical behaviour of these people.

As far as I'm concerned, round'em up and ship'em home. Let them grow food in the desert.

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by fargon

Maybe what we need to do is restrict their trade and starve them economically. When these people started showing up, we embraced them and welcomed them into our country, and even gave their children priority admission to our colleges and universities. How did they repay our kindness? By telling us that we are stupid and beneath their contempt.

My point, again, is that none of the Muslims in the US are protesting, none of them are rioting, none of them even seem to be upset about this. The people that are using these cartoons as an excuse are from several select countries that I think can easily be defined as "having issues" (economics, social standing, oppressive government, etc).

Originally Posted by fargon

My sister Widget, had a b/f from the UAE who ran up a $1400 phone bill calling his friends back home. When she asked him to pay his bill he beat her up and slashed the tires on her car. I had to pay the phone bill, and replace her tires.

You could have replaced 'UAE' with 'Australia', 'Brazil', or even 'Boston' and the story would have been just as plausible. One person should not allow you to draw a summary for all.

Originally Posted by fargon

I decided at that time these people were shit. From that minute on, I have tried to avoid contact with them. In the mid 80s they started taking over the taxi business in SoCal, and used terror tactics to try and put me out of business. These aren't isolated incidents. In my experience, this is the typical behaviour of these people.

I don't know about the taxi issues, but it sounds like you've had some bad, personal experiences with "these people". (Terror tactics? Did they blow up your car?) I don't know. I keep drifting time and time again to lumping all of the Muslim world into a group of people that I want to place a bad label on, but I have this awful feeling that our culture was in desperate need of a new boogeyman and that we're falling into the trap of media availability. I've never had a problem with a Muslim, never had any issues with someone practicing Islam. My old boss was a devout follower and he was a nice guy, a lot of my classmates are Muslim and they're no different than the other students. Studying with them never ended with me feeling hostile towards them, or even feeling remotely upset. My experience conflicts directly with what I hear spewing out of the television, so I take issue with it. Maybe I'm just lucky.

As far as I'm concerned, round'em up and ship'em home. Let them grow food in the desert.[/quote]

Great idea.

I once had the great idea of actually reading up on what Islam was all about and coming to a conclusion on just how I should view these people and their place in the world. ...and then I remember reading the bible and knowing that if I applied those values to all Christians, I'd probably want to kick every single one of them out of our country, too. But, hey, I've met some decent Christians in my life, so I'd feel a bit bad about that.

[tw]

Originally Posted by fargon

As far as I'm concerned, round'em up and ship'em home. Let them grow food in the desert.

Originally Posted by tw

Take apart this controversy with a scalpel rather than painting all with a broad brush.

But you would paint 'them' with a broad brush. Reasons provided and the logic used to obtain those conclusions are exactly what created 1960s racism - complete with hate.

Your story is nothing more than an incident. So now you blame one million others for that incident? Only using Rush Limbaugh reasoning could one conclude "round'em up and ship'em home. Let them grow food in the desert."

Based upon your story, then you should conclude that "we round up all diplomats and throw them in the ocean. Let them swim home." Then a conclusion would be more consistent with your sister's story.

This nation is very dependent on those other 999,999 immigrants because so many Americans are too lazy to become sufficiently educated. I often wonder who we really should be 'sending back'.

Meanwhile Kitsune asks questions that every 'responsible American' should have asked:

Originally Posted by Kitsune

Why do you think these people are currently in an uproar over a handful of editorial cartoons?

It is what good people do. First learn their perspective. Not the perspective of one alleged asshole. The other 999,999 perspectives.

[jaguar]

If this isn't 'threatening behavious toward a group' I don't know what is. This is obvious grounds for arrest under UK law, the fact it was allowed to continue is evidence of blatant racism of the UK Police.

[Trilby]

These people just can't take a joke. Really. They worry me.

[Undertoad]

Belmont Club has some amazing analysis going in the last few days of posts.

...many Europeans -- not most, but many -- are suddenly aware they stand on the edge. If they let Islamic clerics determine what Europeans can and cannot print in their own press through a process of intimidation and force, the Old Continent will have surrendered a large part of its independence and sovereignty. The holy grail of every agitator is to find an issue on which both sides are unalterably opposed. Radical Islam has found it the blasphemy of Mohammed and ironically gave those who would rouse the West a mirror issue of their own: the blasphemy of censorship and the extinction of freedom of speech.

Both sides now are in too deep to climb down without damage.