Al Franken...is this for real?

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I gave you documented information from the New York Times...

You gave me a weak memory of some scene that frightened you in a film made for pay TV by the guy who did the Austin Powers films.

So are you saying that scene wasn't real then?

I think worrying about our elections is very relevant, considering how fucked up they have been for the past eight years. You think I'm stupid for wanting to fix that? All righty then. I guess you don't really believe in democracy...

[classicman]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

I think worrying about our elections is very relevant, considering how fucked up they have been for the past eight years. You think I'm stupid for wanting to fix that? All righty then. I guess you don't really believe in democracy...

If you are really worried about the elections then start looking very closely at ACORN and its ties...
Oh and this is a republic - not a democracy - just sayin.

Originally Posted by classicman

If you are really worried about the elections then start looking very closely at ACORN and its ties...

In the words of a wise dweller...."good grief, let it go"

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

So are you saying that scene wasn't real then?

I think worrying about our elections is very relevant, considering how fucked up they have been for the past eight years. You think I'm stupid for wanting to fix that? All righty then. I guess you don't really believe in democracy...

Do you think they are suddenly fucked up or is that just because you don't support who was in office at the time?

And if they were fucked up for the last 8 years then the election of Obamy must have been fucked up too? Right? Or are they not fucked up because you are ok that he won, even with all the fuckeduptedness in our election process?

Shutting down ACORN will be a big improvement.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Do you think they are suddenly fucked up or is that just because you don't support who was in office at the time?

And if they were fucked up for the last 8 years then the election of Obamy must have been fucked up too? Right? Or are they not fucked up because you are ok that he won, even with all the fuckeduptedness in our election process?

Shutting down ACORN will be a big improvement.

I don't recall hearing about all the problems with the elections before 2000. They were probably there, but not on the scale they were in 2000.

Obama won by such a HUGE margin, it probably wouldn't have mattered. but yes, there were still problems with that election.

The problems need to be fixed. No matter who they favor. We cannot say we have free elections as long as we continue having these problems.

Can you cite one fact that disputes the facts I cited about the budget process, the current rules of the House and
Senate?

The so-called "lack of transparency" that you bitch about is your opinion....shared only by the whiners on the right.

Where in the House/Senate rules was that transparency blocked or Republicans denied a voice in the process?

What provisions of the current House/Senate rules are more restrictive than the previous Republican rules?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Can you cite one fact that disputes the facts I cited about the budget process, the current rules of the House and
Senate?

The s0-called "lack of transparency" that you bitch about is opinion....where in the House/Senate rules was that transparency blocked?

You cite nothing more than the party line. Not what is actually happening in the budget process and how Pelosi and Reid have delt with the budget.

http://cellar.org/showpost.php?p=558329&postcount=416

And you, once again, have no facts....other than referring to a Republican opinion about a two year old budget....what the fuck?

[TheMercenary]

Relevent factual citations have been referenced. Maybe you just don't click on them.

Your post is a quote (opinion) from a Republican.

What provisions of the current House/Senate rules are more restrictive than the previous Republican rules?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Your post is a quote (opinion) from a Republican.

What provisions of the current House/Senate rules are more restrictive than the previous Republican rules?

I trust quotes from known people over some nameless faceless ex-lobbyist. I assure you. So, you are saying he lied about the process. Hmmmmm, not what the majority of the press had reported at the time.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I trust quotes from known people over some nameless faceless ex-lobbyist. I assure you.

So you have no facts to support his quote..either did he...

And I assume you still cant cite any provisions of the current House/Senate rules that are more restrictive than the previous Republican rules...either could any Republican member of Congress when pressed.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

So you have not facts to support his quote..either did he...

You don't have facts that it did not happen that way or you would have posted them.

[classicman]

Redux/Merc - THATS IT! You're both on report!

Good grief - let it go both of you.

[TheMercenary]

There are plenty of articles out there to support what I have been saying here.

Pelosi didn't share the president's dream of brotherly love breaking out in the Capitol. She was in charge, this was her bill and she would decide what was in it. To the ire of Republicans, and some Democrats, Pelosi maneuvered to put the stimulus package on an emergency fast track, cutting short debate on the bill and cutting Republicans out of the discussion. "I believe the president was absolutely sincere in looking for a bipartisan outcome," Dent says. "But the White House lost control of the process when the bill was outsourced to Pelosi."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/186961