1/10/2006: Cyclops kitten born - Page 2

Trilby · 01-10-2006, 12:17 PM

busterb-yes.

I feel so sorry for that thing. Kind of reminds me of Leela...poor cyclops orphan girl.

jinx · 01-10-2006, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

busterb-yes.

Actually, busterb's link contained the answer...

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It is evident from those studies that blue eyed whites exhibit a higher incidence of deafness than do orange/green eyed whites or non-white cats! But not all blue eyed whites are deaf and here's why:-

There is a known link between white coat color, blue eyes and deafness - but since the coat and eye color can be caused by different genes it means that only some blue eyed whites are deaf. There is a gene/gene complex which causes white coat, blue eyes and deafness, but not all cats get their white coat and blue eyes from that particular gene, so not all white cats will be deaf.

If the cat is a Foreign/Oriental White, it carries the gene for 'Siamese Blue Eyes' which is not linked to deafness (the gene for Siamese Blue Eyes is linked to cross-eyes instead). Siamese blue eyes have a reflective tapetum, but this is depigmented because the Siamese colour is caused by albinism. This depigmentation gives the red-eye with flash cameras. Random matings can mean that this gene sometimes appears in non Oriental-looking cats which have colorpoint cats in their ancestry.

sandra77 · 01-10-2006, 01:08 PM

I thought cats were born with their eyes closed?

wolf · 01-10-2006, 01:12 PM

The snopes article addresses that.

But the part of my brain that assesses "normal" and "okay" is insisting that the picture looks 'Shopped.

Oh please, let it turn out to be 'Shopped, so that I can sleep.

richlevy · 01-10-2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

The snopes article addresses that.

But the part of my brain that assesses "normal" and "okay" is insisting that the picture looks 'Shopped.

Oh please, let it turn out to be 'Shopped, so that I can sleep.

What is really disturbing is that it occurs in 'mammals'. I have never heard of this in humans. Of course, I really don't want to.

Happy Monkey · 01-10-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy

What is really disturbing is that it occurs in 'mammals'. I have never heard of this in humans. Of course, I really don't want to.

Too bad! See near the end of this article:

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It is also possible that the rare but occasional birth of malformed childs affected by cyclopia, a rare congenital cephalic disorders, could have inspired the legend.

Sun_Sparkz · 01-10-2006, 04:35 PM

The eye looks way to big. kittens eyes are nowhere near that size. They are tiny, blue, relfective, closed and even if thats two eyes mutated together it couldn't be that big!!

surely he should have frozen the kitten corpse for proof and study.

Clodfobble · 01-10-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun_Sparkz

The eye looks way to big. kittens eyes are nowhere near that size. They are tiny, blue, relfective, closed and even if thats two eyes mutated together it couldn't be that big!!

I think it's more that the head is too small--I think the poor thing's just missing most of his skull and body, which happens to include one eye. It looks like he might be missing the other two legs as well.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-10-2006, 06:17 PM

Considering how complicated the process is, between the sperm/egg and the finished product, it's a miracle any of them turn out "right".

busterb · 01-10-2006, 09:05 PM

Please define "right"

Wombat · 01-10-2006, 06:11 PM

I've seen a real cyclopic human baby, pickled in a jar. It was similar enough to this kitten picture to convince me that the kitten picture is real.

Sun_Sparkz · 01-10-2006, 09:40 PM

True. creation is amazing and complicated.. its ineviatable that it should stuff up sometimes. I just read that snopes thing said that the big eye thing is a symptom of the cyclops deformity(or whatever it is).

wah · 01-11-2006, 02:28 AM

It is *extremely* rare for deformities in mammals to be this perfectly symmetrical.

And ....

creation is amazing and complicated.. its ineviatable that it should stuff up sometimes. 

Actually I think the word you wanted to use (i.e. the word I would have use if I were you) was "evolution". As in "evolution is amazing and complicated". I realize that our difference in expression may be due to differences in political thought.

Howere, if we can agree to disagree about the proper word use in this instance (i.e creation/evolution), then I am in complete agreement with your statement.

[o.k. but seriously,have you read <a href="http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmiller/kitzmiller_342.pdf">this opinion?</a> [warning! pdf]. It is AMAZING LAW, imho.]

jinx · 01-11-2006, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by wah

[o.k. but seriously,have you read this opinion? [warning! pdf]. It is AMAZING LAW, imho.]

Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond....

xoxoxoBruce · 01-11-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wah

It is *extremely* rare for deformities in mammals to be this perfectly symmetrical.

And ....

creation is amazing and complicated.. its ineviatable that it should stuff up sometimes. 

Actually I think the word you wanted to use (i.e. the word I would have use if I were you) was "evolution". As in "evolution is amazing and complicated". I realize that our difference in expression may be due to differences in political thought.

Howere, if we can agree to disagree about the proper word use in this instance (i.e creation/evolution), then I am in complete agreement with your statement.

No, the sperm/egg combining to make a new critter is creation. The changes to that type of critter over generations is evolution.
Unfortunately those two words have become so politically charged they are both being misused way too often.

01-10-2006, 12:17 PM	#1
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	busterb-yes. I feel so sorry for that thing. Kind of reminds me of Leela...poor cyclops orphan girl. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

01-10-2006, 01:12 PM	#4
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	The snopes article addresses that. But the part of my brain that assesses "normal" and "okay" is insisting that the picture looks 'Shopped. Oh please, let it turn out to be 'Shopped, so that I can sleep. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

01-10-2006, 04:35 PM	#7
Sun_Sparkz Has Body Temperature Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: I come from a land downunder Posts: 1,105	The eye looks way to big. kittens eyes are nowhere near that size. They are tiny, blue, relfective, closed and even if thats two eyes mutated together it couldn't be that big!! surely he should have frozen the kitten corpse for proof and study. __________________ We'll never be as young as we are right now

01-10-2006, 06:17 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Considering how complicated the process is, between the sperm/egg and the finished product, it's a miracle any of them turn out "right". __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-10-2006, 09:05 PM	#10
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Please define "right" __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

01-10-2006, 01:08 PM	#3
sandra77 Antagonistic Antagonist Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 22	I thought cats were born with their eyes closed?

01-10-2006, 06:11 PM	#11
Wombat (marsupial with backward-facing pouch) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canberra Posts: 251	I've seen a real cyclopic human baby, pickled in a jar. It was similar enough to this kitten picture to convince me that the kitten picture is real. __________________ If you don't do it properly, you'll get to the pub sooner.

01-10-2006, 09:40 PM	#12
Sun_Sparkz Has Body Temperature Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: I come from a land downunder Posts: 1,105	True. creation is amazing and complicated.. its ineviatable that it should stuff up sometimes. I just read that snopes thing said that the big eye thing is a symptom of the cyclops deformity(or whatever it is). __________________ We'll never be as young as we are right now

01-11-2006, 02:28 AM	#13
wah Vivacious Vivisectionist Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 36	<i>It is extremely rare for deformities in mammals to be this perfectly symmetrical.</i> And .... <I>creation is amazing and complicated.. its ineviatable that it should stuff up sometimes. </i> Actually I think the word you wanted to use (i.e. the word I would have use if I were you) was "evolution". As in "evolution is amazing and complicated". I realize that our difference in expression may be due to differences in political thought. Howere, if we can agree to disagree about the proper word use in this instance (i.e creation/evolution), then I am in complete agreement with your statement. [o.k. but seriously,have you read <a href="http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmiller/kitzmiller_342.pdf">this opinion?</a> [warning! pdf]. It is AMAZING LAW, imho.]

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