Text book disclaimer stickers - Page 2

Happy Monkey · 05-11-2005, 05:32 PM

What they really want is to attrack bio-tech corporations who don't believe in evolution, so they can use the employees as examples of scientists who aren't "brainwashed" by the "religion" of evolution. Whether they actually do any bio-tech work is not particularly relevant.

warch · 05-11-2005, 06:18 PM

Fundamentalists claim they need protection from the amoral athiests , their right are infringed upon in schools teaching evolution. When the scientists invade the church and force the Sunday youth group to read Darwin...then I'll buy it.

Its science and secular education that need protection, now. Right now. Lots of Christians I know, bless 'em, are fighting to protect science curricula from ID politics.

Again the question burns,..."What's The Matter With Kansas?" They want economic progress but that comes with cultural progress. They'll continue to shoot their own foot.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-11-2005, 06:23 PM

I guess they weren't listening when Dorothy told them what was really behind the curtain.

Clodfobble · 05-12-2005, 09:09 AM

Smurf, mrnoodle wasn't trying to convince anyone of the truth of those statements. He was pointing out how the references on the Bible sticker to "suicide, incest, bestiality, sadomasochism, sexual activity in a violent context, murder, morbid violence, use of drugs or alcohol, homosexuality, voyeurism, revenge, undermining of authority figures, lawlessness and human rights violations and atrocities" in the Bible were passages taken out of context and that the Bible clearly says that the opposite of all these things is the most important thing in life.

You don't have to believe it's true, but you should at least know what's in it before you argue against it.

SmurfAbuser · 05-12-2005, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Smurf, mrnoodle wasn't trying to convince anyone of the truth of those statements. He was pointing out how the references on the Bible sticker to "suicide, incest, bestiality, sadomasochism, sexual activity in a violent context, murder, morbid violence, use of drugs or alcohol, homosexuality, voyeurism, revenge, undermining of authority figures, lawlessness and human rights violations and atrocities" in the Bible were passages taken out of context and that the Bible clearly says that the opposite of all these things is the most important thing in life.

You don't have to believe it's true, but you should at least know what's in it before you argue against it.

No need to get yourself all in a lather--I wasn't insulting him, just making a point. Sorry to have offended if I did.

And BTW, I know what the Bible says--I was raised by strict Southern Baptist parents and had it shoved down my throat my entire childhood. Don't make assumptions about someone you don't know Clodfobble--very dangerous around here, from what I've seen.

Regardless, I've managed to block most of my Biblical knowledge out of my memory; I suspect it's something akin to post traumatic stress syndrome, although I'm not sure. I'm actually quite grateful for that.

Anyway, my point with all this is that you can make the Bible say whatever you want it to. You can quote one verse to make a point, and I can quote another to contradict you. If you believe in the Bible, that's swell, and I'm happy for you. I'm just get a little touchy when people get in your face with Bible quotes. Hey, just my personal opinion, and yes, I have lots of "issues."

OnyxCougar · 05-13-2005, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SmurfAbuser

And BTW, I know what the Bible says--I was raised by strict Southern Baptist parents and had it shoved down my throat my entire childhood. Don't make assumptions about someone you don't know Clodfobble--very dangerous around here, from what I've seen.

Just because you were forced to participate in a religion does NOT mean you know what's really in the book, and understand it.

SmurfAbuser · 05-13-2005, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

Just because you were forced to participate in a religion does NOT mean you know what's really in the book, and understand it.

Aren't you jumping to conclusions here? How do you know if I "understand" what is in the Bible? Is it your place to judge my knowledge and understanding in this case? You have no idea what my experiences or beliefs are.

I'm glad to hear that you "know what's really in the book" and that you "understand" it. That's swell. Contrary to your opinion, I also know what is in this book and I believe I understand it quite well. Based on my understanding, I choose not to believe in it. Isn't that my right?

OnyxCougar · 05-17-2005, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SmurfAbuser

Aren't you jumping to conclusions here? How do you know if I "understand" what is in the Bible? Is it your place to judge my knowledge and understanding in this case? You have no idea what my experiences or beliefs are.

I'm glad to hear that you "know what's really in the book" and that you "understand" it. That's swell. Contrary to your opinion, I also know what is in this book and I believe I understand it quite well. Based on my understanding, I choose not to believe in it. Isn't that my right?

I didn't say whether you understood it or not, nor did I speculate. I merely stated that simply being indoctrinated in an organized religion does not mean you understand the contents of the book.

Seems like you're the one jumping to conclusions.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-14-2005, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

Just because you were forced to participate in a religion does NOT mean you know what's really in the book, and understand it.

Don't assume that anyone that doesn't accept it doesn't know and understand what it says. Of course that could be possible since bible scholars have been working on it for a very long time and are still at it. Maybe once they figure it out, a new version comes out and they have to start over.
Knowing content and understanding what it says, doesn't make it true either.

As far as rejecting without reading a book, I do that with Dr Phil's books.

OnyxCougar · 05-17-2005, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Don't assume that anyone that doesn't accept it doesn't know and understand what it says. Of course that could be possible since bible scholars have been working on it for a very long time and are still at it. Maybe once they figure it out, a new version comes out and they have to start over.
Knowing content and understanding what it says, doesn't make it true either.

I never said he didn't understand it, or that understanding = instant belief or agreement with contents, or accepting as truth.

It was a statement that just because you grow up in a relgion does not mean you understand what's in the book. I can't get any plainer than that.

I didn't think I needed to.

Clodfobble · 05-12-2005, 03:37 PM

I wasn't offended in the slightest, I was just explaining why you shouldn't be ticked off at those particular Bible quotes being presented, as the discussion (started by the sticker) was specifically about the content of the Bible. Jaguar referred to some Biblical content; mrnoodle referred to some differing Biblical content.

I didn't mean to imply you didn't know what was in the Bible though, I was using the ubiquitous "you." Sorry about that, here's a better wording: "People don't have to believe in the Bible to be able to read it objectively and debate its merit as a moral guideline, and they should in fact read it before declaring it to be utter crap (instead of, say, just a nice collection of parables.) 'Love thy neighbor' is just as good of a rule whether it's me saying it or God."

And I agree, you do have some issues with having things shoved down your throat. But lots of people do, and there's no one to blame for that but the Christians out there who happen to be over-zealous and ham-fisted.

Happy Monkey · 05-12-2005, 03:51 PM

The real issue is that warning labels generally don't list the good contents of the thing they're affixed to.

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WARNING: This album has several songs that are quite good, actually. Parental approval is advised.

Happy Monkey · 05-13-2005, 01:07 PM

(another view)

Elspode · 05-13-2005, 01:12 PM

I see that Cobb County worships that same four elements that we Pagans do. Bet they'd be surprised to hear that...

wolf · 05-13-2005, 01:46 PM

I was going to say something similar ... "Earth, Air, Fire, Water" yep, all there ...

Reminds me of a friend who had an "elemental magician" in a D&D campaign. He only knew one spell. He could summon elementals of each of the elements.

Each one on the periodic table.

05-11-2005, 05:32 PM	#1
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	What they really want is to attrack bio-tech corporations who don't believe in evolution, so they can use the employees as examples of scientists who aren't "brainwashed" by the "religion" of evolution. Whether they actually do any bio-tech work is not particularly relevant. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

05-11-2005, 06:23 PM	#3
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I guess they weren't listening when Dorothy told them what was really behind the curtain. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-13-2005, 01:07 PM	#13
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	(another view) __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

05-13-2005, 01:12 PM	#14
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I see that Cobb County worships that same four elements that we Pagans do. Bet they'd be surprised to hear that... __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

05-13-2005, 01:46 PM	#15
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I was going to say something similar ... "Earth, Air, Fire, Water" yep, all there ... Reminds me of a friend who had an "elemental magician" in a D&D campaign. He only knew one spell. He could summon elementals of each of the elements. Each one on the periodic table. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

05-11-2005, 06:18 PM	#2
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Fundamentalists claim they need protection from the amoral athiests , their right are infringed upon in schools teaching evolution. When the scientists invade the church and force the Sunday youth group to read Darwin...then I'll buy it. Its science and secular education that need protection, now. Right now. Lots of Christians I know, bless 'em, are fighting to protect science curricula from ID politics. Again the question burns,..."What's The Matter With Kansas?" They want economic progress but that comes with cultural progress. They'll continue to shoot their own foot.

05-12-2005, 09:09 AM	#4
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Smurf, mrnoodle wasn't trying to convince anyone of the truth of those statements. He was pointing out how the references on the Bible sticker to "suicide, incest, bestiality, sadomasochism, sexual activity in a violent context, murder, morbid violence, use of drugs or alcohol, homosexuality, voyeurism, revenge, undermining of authority figures, lawlessness and human rights violations and atrocities" in the Bible were passages taken out of context and that the Bible clearly says that the opposite of all these things is the most important thing in life. You don't have to believe it's true, but you should at least know what's in it before you argue against it.

05-12-2005, 03:37 PM	#11
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	I wasn't offended in the slightest, I was just explaining why you shouldn't be ticked off at those particular Bible quotes being presented, as the discussion (started by the sticker) was specifically about the content of the Bible. Jaguar referred to some Biblical content; mrnoodle referred to some differing Biblical content. I didn't mean to imply you didn't know what was in the Bible though, I was using the ubiquitous "you." Sorry about that, here's a better wording: "People don't have to believe in the Bible to be able to read it objectively and debate its merit as a moral guideline, and they should in fact read it before declaring it to be utter crap (instead of, say, just a nice collection of parables.) 'Love thy neighbor' is just as good of a rule whether it's me saying it or God." And I agree, you do have some issues with having things shoved down your throat. But lots of people do, and there's no one to blame for that but the Christians out there who happen to be over-zealous and ham-fisted.

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