My trip to the gay bar. The reason why I have homophobic tendencies. - Page 2

lookout123 · 12-29-2004, 06:35 PM

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I'm convinced gay bars are nothing more than normal bars with a cleaner atmosphere and have a slightly higher percentage of homosexuals.

no, kitsune, this was a real gay bar. there were only a couple of straight guys there, as we were, every sunday night for the drag show. it was one of only 2 (decent) bars open in the area on sunday nights and we worked at the other one so this was our ritual. many of our coworkers were gay so they were always there.

although i didn't partake, this gay bar fulfilled every stereotype imaginable. the first night i walked in one guy snickered while his buddy wagered he'd bed me in less than a week. (he was wrong). drugs flowed freely. drinks were tall, strong, and cheap. as the night went on queens began appearing on stage in less than full apparel. they had the best disco in town and lots of hot (real) females.

all in all it was a wonderful place to spend sunday nights for a few years of my life.

lookout123 · 12-29-2004, 06:37 PM

i didn't think he was that big of a deal. i only found it annoying that all he did was post the stories. he didn't converse or make any gesture to join the community.

wolf · 12-29-2004, 02:21 PM

So that's what insufferably annoying is.

Thank you, UT.

mrnoodle · 12-29-2004, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

So that's what insufferably annoying is.

The Penthouse Letters school of journalism isn't putting out the quality of alumni it used to, is it?

I'm no netiquette expert, but wouldn't posting a bunch of unsolicited links to your fiction also be spam? Would the guy have been better received if he had simply said "I'm submitting my creative writing for your perusal, let me know what you think"? Is he merely clueless, or does he get off on negative feedback?

Also, ever notice that there's never more than one insufferably annoying new guy at a time? I sometimes wonder if someone's doing a psychology experiment on us, pretending to be a moron and then gauging our reactions. ("us" referring to newsgroups in general, not just the cellar).

[/paranoia]

slang · 12-29-2004, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

So that's what insufferably annoying is.

Thank you, UT.

(makes note for future reference)

garnet · 12-29-2004, 03:17 PM

So why, technically, was this individual banned? Because he insulted wolf? I thought his stories sucked, but that's not the issue.

Kitsune · 12-29-2004, 03:24 PM

You didn't read the fine print on the back of your admission ticket did you, Garnet?

Nontransferable; must be used by the same person on any and all days. The Cellar is not responsible for misplaced, lost, or stolen items. The Cellar may change operating hours, close temporarily due to refurbishing, capacity, inclement weather or special events; and may otherwise change or be discontinued without notice and without liability to the owners of The Cellar. Not valid for special events requiring a seperate admission charge. It is agreed between the others of The Cellar and ticket users that all claims for injury or loss arising incident to presence on owner's property shall be litigated in Pennsylvania. Nonrefundable. Void if altered. Revocable. Admit One.

garnet · 12-29-2004, 03:30 PM

The "fine print" has nothing to do with it--UT can run his site however he sees fit. I'm just curious why this person got booted when there's been WAY worse stuff said here than what MickGinny said about wolf.

Beestie · 12-29-2004, 03:39 PM

Y'all didn't see the post in the brief four-minute period before UT edited it.

Trust me.

Griff · 12-29-2004, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by garnet

The "fine print" has nothing to do with it--UT can run his site however he sees fit. I'm just curious why this person got booted when there's been WAY worse stuff said here than what MickGinny said about wolf.

Usually folks here get attacked for their ideas, not for just being. We've had some ugly incidents but usually you can trace it back to a breach of trust.

Undertoad · 12-29-2004, 04:21 PM

This is the registration message that everyone acknowledges they agree to.

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There are only three RULES of the Cellar.

1. Do not try to break the law using the Cellar.
2. Do not try to break the Cellar.
3. Do not be "intolerably irritating".

The meaning of that last item is of course open to interpretation. But basically, if you are a troll, attention whore, moron, spammer, single-issue hammer or otherwise non-community oriented, know ye that ye may be removed and banned and whatever else is required to keep your ass away from the place.

garnet · 12-29-2004, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

This is the registration message that everyone acknowledges they agree to.

OK, but it's definitely open to interpretation. I don't think posting re-run stories here is spamming, but hey, that's just my opinion. And yes, he seemed to have irritated a few people, but those people are the ones who attacked him with a vengeance as soon as he set foot in the Cellar. It just seems like some people are oddly threatened by newcomers here, and I just don't get it.

Fudge Armadillo · 12-29-2004, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by garnet

It just seems like some people are oddly threatened by newcomers here, and I just don't get it.

I think the bannination occured because of the stupid personal attack rather than the annoying content. I agree with UT.

garnet · 12-29-2004, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fudge Armadillo

I think the bannination occured because of the stupid personal attack rather than the annoying content. I agree with UT.

And stupid personal attacks are grounds for getting banned around here? If that were the case 99% of us would be gone...

Undertoad · 12-29-2004, 05:07 PM

Yes, I'm the one who interprets it and that's undemocratic and not fair. But have a heart; after 20 years at this, I'm good at it. I know who is here to be a part of things and who is here because they spot a place they think they can take a big steaming dump for their own enjoyment.

It does my heart little good to see that, given a second chance [before IP-banning], this troll took exactly the same dump in exactly the same place, requiring the exact same cleanup. It does my heart no good because even though I know that, given a third and fourth and fifth chance, he will do the same thing, if I ban him I am the one who has to answer for it.

And yet I am the one who has to clean up the mess. If you can think of a better way please let me know.

12-29-2004, 06:37 PM	#2
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	i didn't think he was that big of a deal. i only found it annoying that all he did was post the stories. he didn't converse or make any gesture to join the community. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

12-29-2004, 02:21 PM	#3
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	So that's what insufferably annoying is. Thank you, UT. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	Y'all didn't see the post in the brief four-minute period before UT edited it. Trust me. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

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12-29-2004, 03:17 PM	#6
garnet ... Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 657	So why, technically, was this individual banned? Because he insulted wolf? I thought his stories sucked, but that's not the issue.

12-29-2004, 03:24 PM	#7
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	You didn't read the fine print on the back of your admission ticket did you, Garnet? Nontransferable; must be used by the same person on any and all days. The Cellar is not responsible for misplaced, lost, or stolen items. The Cellar may change operating hours, close temporarily due to refurbishing, capacity, inclement weather or special events; and may otherwise change or be discontinued without notice and without liability to the owners of The Cellar. Not valid for special events requiring a seperate admission charge. It is agreed between the others of The Cellar and ticket users that all claims for injury or loss arising incident to presence on owner's property shall be litigated in Pennsylvania. Nonrefundable. Void if altered. Revocable. Admit One.

12-29-2004, 03:30 PM	#8
garnet ... Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 657	The "fine print" has nothing to do with it--UT can run his site however he sees fit. I'm just curious why this person got booted when there's been WAY worse stuff said here than what MickGinny said about wolf.

12-29-2004, 05:07 PM	#15
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Yes, I'm the one who interprets it and that's undemocratic and not fair. But have a heart; after 20 years at this, I'm good at it. I know who is here to be a part of things and who is here because they spot a place they think they can take a big steaming dump for their own enjoyment. It does my heart little good to see that, given a second chance [before IP-banning], this troll took exactly the same dump in exactly the same place, requiring the exact same cleanup. It does my heart no good because even though I know that, given a third and fourth and fifth chance, he will do the same thing, if I ban him I am the one who has to answer for it. And yet I am the one who has to clean up the mess. If you can think of a better way please let me know.

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