religion of peace update

[lookout123]

yep, there are dipshits everywhere. but how many? we all know there are wackjobs, but they are kept in check like the idiot cousin who is never let out of his room.
these are not large scale movements. if these folks decided to get moving on their convictions, they would get picked off by a couple of good old boys.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by lookout123

yep, there are dipshits everywhere.

We've seen what a handfull of dipshits can do though.

[wolf]

And your point in sharing an illiterate website that nobody takes seriously is?

(these are the same guys that present godhatesfags.com)

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by wolf

And your point in sharing an illiterate website that nobody takes seriously is?

(these are the same guys that present godhatesfags.com)

A loose connection to fundamentalist distortion.

[jaguar]

Bush has a fairly extreme view, at least compared to most christians I know. When people start talking about the will of god, the path of god or think they are in any way assisted by god to their position it's time to start worrying. The guy bought in ashcroft for crying out loud, he's expanded government funding of faith based charities.

How many fundamentalists disagree with the views of OBL et al? Fair few, Some of them have died for it, might want to look into the views of a recently assassinated pakistani cleric for example. Not that you'd bother to research that before spouting off tired old lines.

Both groups are dipshits, both groups are fairly small, both groups are warped views of their religion. Neither is better than the other.

[lookout123]

Originally Posted by jaguar

How many fundamentalists disagree with the views of OBL et al? Fair few, Some of them have died for it, might want to look into the views of a recently assassinated pakistani cleric for example. Not that you'd bother to research that before spouting off tired old lines.

um, what? glad to see you were able to keep the hatchet buried and avoid getting personal, btw.

[lookout123]

Originally Posted by jaguar

Bush has a fairly extreme view, at least compared to most christians I know. When people start talking about the will of god, the path of god or think they are in any way assisted by god to their position it's time to start worrying. The guy bought in ashcroft for crying out loud, he's expanded government funding of faith based charities.
/SNIP/
Both groups are dipshits, both groups are fairly small, both groups are warped views of their religion. Neither is better than the other.

i think the difficulty here is that when you say bush has an extreme view you are comparing him to everyone who calls themelves a christian. for a lot of people that simply means "yeah, when i grew up we went to the local church on christmas and easter."

Bush claims to be an active christian, it is an integral part of his everyday life.
when he is compared with other practicing christians; those that actually have a very personal, christ-based faith - he is not an extremist as you assert. i don't see any evidence to indicate that these individuals are out promoting death to all muslims, gays, abortion doctors, or anything like that.

what you are trying to lump bush in with is more similar to a cult. like the branch davidians, or the nut jobs that TS provided the link for. they have taken an idea or a few sentences from the bible and built an entirely new faith from it. that is similar to the wahabbi strain of islam.
to throw evangelical christians into the same bag is pretty ridiculous.
so to answer you Jag - yeah, one is better than the other. the group that doesn't advocate mass extermination of anyone who disagrees wins in my book.

[jaguar]

First things first, your original quote implies that killing people/terrorism is a means to an end, not mass extermination of all non-beleivers, small difference but an important one. What they are saying is they have a goal and they will kill anyone that gets in the way. I don't see how that is even the slightest bit different to for example, abortion clinic bombers.

Avoid getting personal? Avoid digging up tired old lines that are frankly, insulting to every muslim. That line implies that all muslims are basically terrorists and the faith cannot exist in a more peaceful form, if that's not what you mean, don't use it.

Why include bush? He called the war on terror a crusade, the way he talks about god, it's clear he sees himself of some kind of religious mission. The original name for retaliation was 'Operating Infinite Justice' for crying out loud, it is clear that he views this in a way that to me at least, suggests a certain extremity in his view.

[OnyxCougar]

Man Dodges Suicide Pact with Bride (yahoo news)

Mon Jul 12, 8:21 AM ET
TEHRAN (Reuters) - An Iranian man who struck a suicide pact with his new bride over their guilt for having pre-marital sex is being held by police after he backed out on his side of the bargain, judiciary officials said on Sunday.

The couple, who were not named, had been married for just two days when, "due to their guilty consciences for having illicit sexual relations, they decided to kill each other at the same time," the official said.

The man helped to hang his wife but then changed his mind about killing himself and handed himself in to police in the northeastern Khorasan province, the official told the ISNA student news agency.

Pre-marital sex is taboo in the Islamic state where some girls have to go through a virginity test before tying knot.

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

Man Dodges Suicide Pact with Bride (yahoo news)

Mon Jul 12, 8:21 AM ET
TEHRAN (Reuters) - An Iranian man who struck a suicide pact with his new bride over their guilt for having pre-marital sex is being held by police after he backed out on his side of the bargain, judiciary officials said on Sunday.

The couple, who were not named, had been married for just two days when, "due to their guilty consciences for having illicit sexual relations, they decided to kill each other at the same time," the official said.

The man helped to hang his wife but then changed his mind about killing himself and handed himself in to police in the northeastern Khorasan province, the official told the ISNA student news agency.

Pre-marital sex is taboo in the Islamic state where some girls have to go through a virginity test before tying knot.

I love it! I catch my BF doing some evil deed, so one night when we're at home sitting around watching TV, I pull out my Dad's old army Colt and let my BF have it right between the eyes. The police arrive in due course and I say, "Well, you see, officer, we had this mutual suicide pact, only I backed out at the last minute." Yeah, right. The Islamic judge will probably make the man write, "I will not kill my wife" 100 times on the blackboard and send him home.

[dar512]

This whole thread is whacked on so many different levels it makes my mind boggle.

1) I'm fairly sure that even my sixth and seventh grade daughters would have sense enough to avoid undertaking a serious discussion base on an anattributed quote.

2) Even if the text is an accurate quote from a real person, I very much doubt that his/her views represent the mainstream Muslim (which is what seems to be implied).

3) The web site that TroubleShooter posted is no more representative of the average Christian fundamentalist than the Muslim quote was.

No good can come from this.

[cowhead]

marichiko... heh I agree with you... and on a side note. hey we agree to disagree right? that's what a bulk of this forum is for? right?

[Cyber Wolf]

Originally Posted by lookout123

the group that doesn't advocate mass extermination of anyone who disagrees wins in my book.

Christianity in all its flavors is no stranger to being the reason for mass extermination of people and cultures. The crusades cut a bloody path down through what is now Turkey, the Mesopatamia region, the Persian region, Arab region.. "Convert to Christianity or be punished as a gentile/pagan/Jew/any other non-Christian!" The Puritans had a nasty habit of burning alive and hanging anyone who they felt was a witch (and in some cases all you had to do was be a loner and have an ugly face), in the name of their faith. And more recently, wasn't it Ireland that was the scene of bombings and such with two branches of Christianity warring with each other (Catholic vs Protestant I believe)? Let he who is guilty cast the first stone, eh? Christianty is certainly not up for that task.