Time Travel INC. - Page 2

lumberjim · 05-17-2004, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by Radar
If I could only observe, I would go back to watch the Constitutional Convention.

If I could do things when I was there I'd go back in time and eliminate certain people who have caused tremendous evil on the world before they were old enough to unleash the horrors they would eventually cause to happen in America.

I'd get rid of:

Harry Anslinger
Joseph McCarthy
Prescott Bush
Cecil Rhodes
Karl Marx
Edward Mandel House
J.P. Morgan
John D. Rockefeller
Mayer Amschel Bauer (Rothschild)
Engels, Friedrich
Joseph Stalin
Adolph Hitler
Mao Tse-Tung
Pol Pot
Osama Bin Laden
Yasser Arafat

*Of course there's always a danger that one of the people who died as a result of these guys is even worse than they are.

I'd also make sure scandal kept the worst presidents in American history from getting elected like:

Abraham Lincoln
Woodrow Wilson
William Howard Taft
George W. Bush (Neither of them would exist, or the brothers because dear old grand daddy would be gone)
Ronald Reagan
Richard Nixon
Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Without these people we would have had no American involvement in WWI, not WWII would have happened period, and no cold war afterwards, also most likely no civil war.

And if I could just go back to meet people I'd go meet Thomas Jefferson, Peter McWilliams, Albert Einstein, Ayn Rand, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Steve Wosniak, etc.

I might also visit Jesus of Nazareth if he weren't a fictional character.

how do you know that if you DID off those on your list, someone even worse wouldn;t take their place?

glatt · 05-17-2004, 02:43 PM

I'm no fan of war, but much of the modern workd is a direct result of the world wars and the cold war. You go making huge drastic changes like the ones you proposed, and you have no idea what would happen as a result. We might all be dead, wiped out by plague. No penicillin. Who knows?

Besides, the rules say you are just a fly on the wall.

Radar · 05-17-2004, 02:45 PM

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how do you know that if you DID off those on your list, someone even worse wouldn;t take their place?

I don't. As I stated when I said...

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*Of course there's always a danger that one of the people who died as a result of these guys is even worse than they are.

I don't know that there wouldn't be anybody worse, but considering these are some of the worst people humanity has ever produced, the odds would be in my favor.

Happy Monkey · 05-17-2004, 02:50 PM

Anyone have any random speculation on how long slavery would have lasted in the US without the Civil War? And whether civil rights would have been smoother or rougher afterwards?

Radar · 05-17-2004, 02:54 PM

Slavery would have lasted less time in America and more time in the Confederate Union (a different country), but probably not much longer. The Civil war wasn't fought over slavery anyway.

lumberjim · 05-17-2004, 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by Radar

*Of course there's always a danger that one of the people who died as a result of these guys is even worse than they are.

yeah...oops!...missed that....

you're just looking for arguments about Lincoln and FDR being on your list anyway, so......I'm not taking the bait.

Radar · 05-17-2004, 03:03 PM

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you're just looking for arguments about Lincoln and FDR being on your list anyway, so......I'm not taking the bait.

No, I'm not. In fact I'm pleased that someone isn't starting an argument with me, making childish insults, ignorant comments, baseless accusations, etc.

They are on my list for my own very good reasons. I'm sure you'd have a different list that I might disagree with. That's fine with me.

Happy Monkey · 05-17-2004, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by Radar
Slavery would have lasted less time in America and more time in the Confederate Union (a different country), but probably not much longer. The Civil war wasn't fought over slavery anyway.

Right, but the ending of slavery was a Civil War gambit. And I wonder if the Civil War would have been postponed or prevented if Lincoln had lost the election.

lumberjim - Lincoln and FDR were libertarian nightmares.

jaguar · 05-17-2004, 03:14 PM

Yassar Arafat is not a wonderful statesman but somehow I don't think he's quite hit the same league as Hitler, Pol Pot and Stalin.

This is like one of the silly IQ test questions: Which item doesn't below with the rest.

Stalin is someone, I must say, if removed at the right time would have been most likely replaced by someone wholely more moderate, I think anyone that has studied the russian revolution would agree with me on that.

Storming of the Bastille would have been cool, watching darwin work out evolution, wander though a real medieval castle in it's prime, debating between greek philosophers, the politics of the roman forums.....

DanaC · 05-17-2004, 04:05 PM

*Reads Marx and Engels on the list of people who have led to harm in America and bites so hard on tongue a bloody strip falls out of mouth *

Radar · 05-17-2004, 04:07 PM

No, Marx & Engels have caused harm not only to America but to the entire world. Their incredibly flawed, and ignorant philosophy has cost millions of lives.

DanaC · 05-17-2004, 04:13 PM

*Takes a deep breath and with an act of will says ....* Okay

Radar · 05-17-2004, 04:20 PM

Excellent show of restraint.

I commend you.

Pi · 05-17-2004, 04:26 PM

Actually when people are writing stuff as Radar did it seems so stupid that I lose every pleasure to try to discuss such matters...

jaguar · 05-17-2004, 04:27 PM

like many untrained animals he does tend to shit all over the place.

05-17-2004, 02:50 PM	#4
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Anyone have any random speculation on how long slavery would have lasted in the US without the Civil War? And whether civil rights would have been smoother or rougher afterwards? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

05-17-2004, 02:54 PM	#5
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Slavery would have lasted less time in America and more time in the Confederate Union (a different country), but probably not much longer. The Civil war wasn't fought over slavery anyway. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

05-17-2004, 03:14 PM	#9
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Yassar Arafat is not a wonderful statesman but somehow I don't think he's quite hit the same league as Hitler, Pol Pot and Stalin. This is like one of the silly IQ test questions: Which item doesn't below with the rest. Stalin is someone, I must say, if removed at the right time would have been most likely replaced by someone wholely more moderate, I think anyone that has studied the russian revolution would agree with me on that. Storming of the Bastille would have been cool, watching darwin work out evolution, wander though a real medieval castle in it's prime, debating between greek philosophers, the politics of the roman forums..... __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain Last edited by jaguar; 05-17-2004 at 03:18 PM.

05-17-2004, 04:07 PM	#11
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	No, Marx & Engels have caused harm not only to America but to the entire world. Their incredibly flawed, and ignorant philosophy has cost millions of lives. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

05-17-2004, 04:20 PM	#13
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Excellent show of restraint. I commend you. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

05-17-2004, 02:43 PM	#2
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I'm no fan of war, but much of the modern workd is a direct result of the world wars and the cold war. You go making huge drastic changes like the ones you proposed, and you have no idea what would happen as a result. We might all be dead, wiped out by plague. No penicillin. Who knows? Besides, the rules say you are just a fly on the wall.

05-17-2004, 04:05 PM	#10
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Reads Marx and Engels on the list of people who have led to harm in America and bites so hard on tongue a bloody strip falls out of mouth

05-17-2004, 04:13 PM	#12
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Takes a deep breath and with an act of will says .... Okay

05-17-2004, 04:26 PM	#14
Pi desperate finder Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Luxembourg Posts: 437	Actually when people are writing stuff as Radar did it seems so stupid that I lose every pleasure to try to discuss such matters... __________________ Complex simplex

05-17-2004, 04:27 PM	#15
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	like many untrained animals he does tend to shit all over the place. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

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