Women like that

[Whit]

      Warch, I think that was clear already. I referenced the male version, Bruce was a flirt as usual and Steve mentioned considering using this chic for sex. All of these were covered earlier. The only ones talking purely of women like this are the women. Which is understandable in an intergroup kind of way.
      Perhaps it touched a nerve? Perhaps you've been pissed at this type of person (notice the vague, gender neutral title) quite often?

[warch]

Yes, women who state a hatred of women, disturb me.

[juju]

Why? Any particular reason other than what you've already stated?

[Whit]

      Actually, I can understand it to a certain degree. Men are so much simpler than women. Makes us a lot easier to deal with. Especialy in groups. I've seen a lot of perfectly decent women attacked and back-stabbed by other women without much, if any, provacation. As a guy I was mostly immune.
      Anyway, I don't think anyone was suggesting they actually hate all women, just the issue-laden emotionaly-confused void type. Now, they may well be blowing the problem out of proportion, but you can see droves of these women, and their male counterpart, at any club any night of the week. That's why I don't usually go to clubs.
      For the record, I get along great with women. Women usually make up a fairly large portion of my friendship base.

[warch]

I'm overreacting, I give you that. But allow me my disturbed gut: I feel, in its tiny way, it adds to the rampant, global mysogyny, labeling "that kind of woman" which, to some extent, adds to the threatened basic human rights of all women and girls. Such generalizations, ironically restated by women, serve to reinforce the divisive stereotypes. Slut/Madonna; Burka-wearer/stoning-target. And it does go right down to the level of the enclosed social experiment that is Jr. High. You want to be pointing your finger in the right direction during the cat fight.
That's all.

[darclauz]

Originally posted by warch
Yes, women who state a hatred of women, disturb me.

I don't hate women...however, women have this capacity for evil that men don't seem to have. As a general rule (and I can only speak generally here...) women are capable of more manipulation, more deceptiveness, more wily, cunning and generally sneaky behavior than men.

I would like to say that, generally speaking (sneaking out of sight) that women are smarter..that's why they do this. They're also deeper.... made to be nurturers and all that... and they think on a different level. That makes them superior on some levels, but also allows them to be more manipulative.

Blah, blah. I know I'm speaking in a place where there are probably more smart men (and women) per square inch than anyplace other than MENSA, so don't bother to attack me for being sexist and wrong...assume I've heard it and apologized already.

[darclauz]

Originally posted by warch
I'm overreacting, I give you that. But allow me my disturbed gut: I feel, in its tiny way, it adds to the rampant, global mysogyny, labeling "that kind of woman" which, to some extent, adds to the threatened basic human rights of all women and girls. Such generalizations, ironically restated by women, serve to reinforce the divisive stereotypes. Slut/Madonna; Burka-wearer/stoning-target. And it does go right down to the level of the enclosed social experiment that is Jr. High. You want to be pointing your finger in the right direction during the cat fight.
That's all.

Stereotypes become stereotypes for a reason: the same behavior, from the same kind of person, over and over and over. It's like cliche: annoying, not covering EVERY situation, but built around that pillar of truth.

There are a lot of ways women are different from men, some good and some bad. Women are a lot more prone to get hurt over incredibly small things, for example. The Q3 instagib clan I'm in is headed by a girl. I emailed her and asked her if we had a match tonight. "It's been in the topic in the IRC channel for a week" was her reply. A guy wouldn't have responded like that. He would have said "Yeah, we got a match at 9." She's annoyed and upset that I didn't remember what was in the topic! Come on!

Women are totally different creatures for the most part. Occasionally you'll find exceptions. Occasionally. But for the most part...

[Beestie]

Exactly there, dave.

Women impute a motive to men's actions then hold them responsible for it without first verifying the validity of the assumption thereby placing the responsibility for their interpretation squarely on the man's shoulders.

This phenomenon (or technique, if you will) is called "control" but, to use a sports analogy which we menfolk are fond of, its also called "keeping the defense on its heels."

[warch]

What was the real motivation for this thread?

[russotto]

Originally posted by SteveDallas
While I'm very appreciative of the female form, I resent like hell any attempt to get me to do something by using "feminine wiles" or just plain bare flesh. In the course of my work I have run into a couple sales reps who seem to believe that their commission income will be inversely proportional to the length of their skirts.

I just resent that they object when I take it to the logical conclusion by suggesting good (for me) sack time in exchange for a sale.

(edit)Oops, this was supposed to have been posted anonymously.

[warch]

I don't hate women...however, women have this capacity for evil that men don't seem to have.
As a general rule (and I can only speak generally here...) women are capable of more manipulation, more deceptiveness, more wily, cunning and generally sneaky behavior than men.

I dont believe that this is true. I believe this perception is taught and, in fact, feel its its a generalization that has served to justify a lot of abuse.

[Beestie]

I dont believe that this is true. I believe this perception is taught and, in fact, feel its its a generalization that has served to justify a lot of abuse.

I don't think "this type of thinking" produces abuse. I think its little more than a pretext - just another way to transfer responsibility for the action to the victim.

[warch]

Yes, what you describe is "justification" for abuse.

[Undertoad]

See how sneaky and manipulative she is?