Britain frees radical cleric Abu Qatada

[Aliantha]

I don't know what's wrong with me these days, but I'm pretty much with Merc on this one. If you deliberately go to a country with different values and then complain about it to the point of terrorism or the threat there of, then that country has every right to chuck you out. IMO

Yes I know that's very unliberal of me to say, but honestly, if you don't like the law of the land, get the fuck out!

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

I don't know what's wrong with me these days, but I'm pretty much with Merc on this one. If you deliberately go to a country with different values and then complain about it to the point of terrorism or the threat there of, then that country has every right to chuck you out. IMO

Yes I know that's very unliberal of me to say, but honestly, if you don't like the law of the land, get the fuck out!

Oh, and don't be embarrassed to agree with me. We should really start to love each other more now that we are going station some 3000 Marines on your coast. Tell the locals to watch out for their women.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Oh, and don't be embarrassed to agree with me. We should really start to love each other more now that we are going station some 3000 Marines on your coast. Tell the locals to watch out for their women.

Most of the chicks up there already have either soldiers or miners for husbands. They're probably smart enough to keep away from the US ones. lol

[DanaC]

Kicking him out isn't the problem. I think most of us would like him to fuck off back to Jordon if our culture is so goddamned objectionable to him.

The very values he seems to despise are what currently sits between him and a flight home.

But they are our values. Knowingly sending him home to face torture would be a betrayal of those values. I don't think he is worth that betrayal.

Not that we as a nation dont send people back to places where they face torture and oppression. We do...as long as we don't know that's what they face.

Qatada is in the rather fortunate position of being a very public case.

@Infi: I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets that song in my head when I hear the name ;p

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by DanaC

But they are our values. Knowingly sending him home to face torture would be a betrayal of those values. I don't think he is worth that betrayal.

Why does anyone think he will be tortured. I have seen nothing to suggest that. He has already been convicted in absence in Jordan, I would suspect they would do nothing more than throw him into a dark hole for the rest of his life.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Then again they could just show up at his house in black hoods throw his ass in a van, drive him to the airport and send him on his way.

Then just say they don't know what happened to him.

I like that idea better.

Originally Posted by Aliantha

I don't know what's wrong with me these days, but I'm pretty much with Merc on this one. If you deliberately go to a country with different values and then complain about it to the point of terrorism or the threat there of, then that country has every right to chuck you out. IMO

Yes I know that's very unliberal of me to say, but honestly, if you don't like the law of the land, get the fuck out!

Originally Posted by DanaC

Kicking him out isn't the problem. I think most of us would like him to fuck off back to Jordon if our culture is so goddamned objectionable to him.

The very values he seems to despise are what currently sits between him and a flight home.

But they are our values. Knowingly sending him home to face torture would be a betrayal of those values. I don't think he is worth that betrayal.

Not that we as a nation dont send people back to places where they face torture and oppression. We do...as long as we don't know that's what they face.

Qatada is in the rather fortunate position of being a very public case.

@Infi: I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets that song in my head when I hear the name ;p

Doesn't like our values, so kick him out. Not committing any crimes, right? Just ugly? Ugly thoughts, ugly words? This is justification for GTFO? Love it or leave it?

I'm straining here to avoid prejudging such comments...

Do none of you realize the only kind of speech that really needs protection is unpopular speech? I'm not condoning violence or incitement to violence. But popular speech, however valuable or vacuous doesn't need protection, everybody loves it already and there are no objections. UNPOPULAR speech, unpleasant ideas, non criminal words and ideas need and deserve protection.

If he's done *wrong*, charge him, prosecute him, convict him and sentence him. If he hasn't done wrong, then stop being a pussy or incompetent or both and leave him alone. Just disliking or fearing someone's attitude isn't enough to justify such detention and I hope to FSM it never is.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by BigV

Doesn't like our values, so kick him out. Not committing any crimes, right? Just ugly? Ugly thoughts, ugly words? This is justification for GTFO? Love it or leave it?

I'm straining here to avoid prejudging such comments...

Do none of you realize the only kind of speech that really needs protection is unpopular speech? I'm not condoning violence or incitement to violence. But popular speech, however valuable or vacuous doesn't need protection, everybody loves it already and there are no objections. UNPOPULAR speech, unpleasant ideas, non criminal words and ideas need and deserve protection.

If he's done *wrong*, charge him, prosecute him, convict him and sentence him. If he hasn't done wrong, then stop being a pussy or incompetent or both and leave him alone. Just disliking or fearing someone's attitude isn't enough to justify such detention and I hope to FSM it never is.

So why not send him home and let his home country make such determination? Or are you afraid the their legal process is flawed? Can you provide concrete evidence that their legal process failed and he was wrongly convicted? Why are you shielding a terrorist sympathizer?

[wolf]

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[HungLikeJesus]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

What about the other 2 hours? Typo? Or does he get to run Down to the internet cafe?

British use imperial hours, which are about 10% bigger than US hours. It's just like the gallon thing.

Crazy, I know.

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

British use imperial hours, which are about 10% bigger than US hours. It's just like the gallon thing.

Crazy, I know.

snort

[ZenGum]

Habeus Corpus, magna carta, due process.

If he's done something under the law (like sedition, inciting violence) then by all means come down on him hard. Due process must be followed, otherwise we're no better than thugs, and then there's no point fighting, because we've become the enemy.

[footfootfoot]

You sound like a philosophy professor. Or a liberal.

[Lamplighter]

or Pogo

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

or Pogo

or Tojo, why you hate us?

Anybody have a new bad guys scorecard? This perpetual war thing gets confusing.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

You sound like a philosophy professor. Or a liberal.

or both.