July 8, 2010: Fingernailed

[nil_orally]

Originally Posted by monster

Orly? .... And where do you stand on mental illness? Burning at the stake?

Nah, as an engineer and previously a carpenter, I think this is not a very good use of perfectly good timber.

My wife has bipolar disorder and suffers deep, deep bouts of depression. She had this condition when I met her, so I made the commitments to her in full knowledge. So to answer the question, I stand in support of anyone I can who suffers.

Why do I have such a hard attitude against drug-f*cked people like Ms Lohan? Let me see, in no particular order of impact to me:
1. A dfa (drug-f*cked ars*hole) crossed the 4 lane highway median strip and ran into my mate's car killing his wife and two kids. The dfa got off with 100 hours of community service.
2. A dfa ran into the back of my bike when stopped at a red light. No screeching tyres - no attempt to stop. Punched it out from between my legs. I ended up in the back of the tray of the ute (pickup) for about 150m, until I was thrown out as she hurled around a roundabout trying to disappear before anyone got her number. Claimed in the police interview she didn't see me because of the blizzard. It was a 35C day in December (summer in Oz). The dfa got a 3 month suspended sentence. She did not have insurance (or rego), and my insurance mob claimed market value was $3500 less than what I had paid when I rode it out of the showroom an hour and a half earlier.
3. A dfa (probably not the same one) has broken into my house or car to steal things 8 times now.
4. A dfa ruined a friend's singing career when he slashed across the face and throat because she was taking too long to hand over her phone and purse when being mugged. She was shaking with fear at the time. She still talks strangely, and refuses to look people in the eye in case she sees them looking at her facial scar. 23 stitches. The dfa had a sob story, so got a suspended sentence. Marteen is still serving hers.

Calling a drug addiction a disease implies the person has a medical condition that requires our empathy. Bullshit. These people need a funnel inserted into an orifice and one of their victims to pour aqua regia in, preferably warmed to 20C above ambient. I would not suggest the mouth, as then one wouldn't hear the screams.

[toranokaze]

Originally Posted by nil_orally

Nope - it's a choice. A disease is an illness, like leukaemia, influenza or mumps. Most people do not chose to get a disease.

By that criterion:
Everyone who got skin cancer from sun bathing. They did it to themselves. Fuck them they don't need chemotherapy because they choose to go in the sun.

Depression because you choose to stay in bed you choose to not go outside you choose to eat a bullet. They don't need therapy or anti-depressants because they choose to let themselves be taken over my sadness


How about schizophrenia they choose to hear the voices, they choose to listen to them so why do they need medication.

All pain suffering and illness can be show as a sequence of choices that doesn't mean someone doesn't need help.

Furthermore, she can be both a bitch and an alcoholic they are not mutually exclusive

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by toranokaze

All pain suffering and illness can be show as a sequence of choices that doesn't mean someone doesn't need help.

Yes help, not sympathy.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Addicts will always try to sneak and bargain and plot and lie and cheat and steal, to get the object of their addiction. That's simple Addiction 101.

When it's a "celebrity" who gets "all the breaks" all of a sudden it is no longer an addict trying every trick in the book to keep using, it is a circus with the spectators throwing tomatoes and crying "YOU GOT EVERY CHANCE YOU PRIVILEGED LITTLE BRAT."

What if it were your child, going through such a monumental struggle against addiction? Do you think your own child should be held to such scrutiny? Why does addiction become that deep dark thing again...because seeing it in "celebrities" means it could be still with us? It's denial that addiction is a disease. It is a disease.

I'm not condoning her actions, I'm saying that this is hardly the time to throw tomatoes at Ms Lohan.

I am all for throwing tomatoes at her. Can we spell "enable"? Yes, the poor thing has a piss poor attitude because she is an addict and doesn't want to quit. I have zero sympathy for her. She has been protected from the consequences of her actions up until now and she is playing "poor me" and being defiant because she can no longer get her own way.

How many alcoholics and addicts do you think would get into recovery if they never had to pay the consequences of their own actions? Most of them would spend their lives sunbathing on the banks of the Nile.

Addiction is not like cancer. If you really want to recover, you do have a fighting chance. Getting into recovery from alcoholism was one of the hardest things I have ever done. But I know that today I will not pick up that first drink.

I do not expect a get out of jail free card for the things I did drinking just because I have a disease. A major part of recovery consists of taking responsibility for your own actions and making amends to those you have harmed.

[Leah]

I can't stand her, I hope she gets locked away for a long time. Maybe it will fix her head up being behind bars. I bet she gets treated like a queen in there.

[glatt]

Martha Stewart got treated like a queen because she was nice to her fellow inmates. They liked her. I can't picture Lindsay making friends.

[Shawnee123]

Oh, and by the way. Just you wait until I make my "LEAVE LINDSEY ALONE, BOO HOO" video. Oh hell, it's probably already been done.

[spudcon]

Shawnee, you are awesome!

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by spudcon

Shawnee, you are awesome!

well, she is an Ohio girl...

[Shawnee123]

We now return you to your regularly scheduled century.

[Trilby]

snicker.

[spudcon]

I agree with Shawnee about not condemning someone because they are addicted to something. We don't know how that began, whether they were tricked or coerced, or just persuaded by a trusted friend or role model.
Having said that, I read years ago that Ms Lohan was a bitch to work with. It seems she hasn't yet found the humility necessary to get help for her problem. Writing fuck you on your fingernails shows where her attitude is. I think 90 days in the slammer and 90 days in rehab may work wonders for her.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by spudcon

I agree about not condemning someone because they are addicted to something.

Thats not what she is being criticized about.

Writing fuck you on your fingernails shows where her attitude is. I think 90 days in the slammer and 90 days in rehab may work wonders for her.

[Trilby]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LTPRJqt2z4

[Trilby]

I think she gets away with her shit because she's so cute.

Cuteness has killed a LOT of addicts.