Kidnapped girl found 18 years later

[Shawnee123]

Wonder if his wife is schizo, too.

Shouldn't there be some kind of rule: "I'm sorry, you're a psycho fuck, and you're a psycho fuck. There can only be one psycho fuck in any marriage at any given time. Plus, you're both ugly. New legislation requires that one of you jump off a cliff and the other one stand in front of a speeding train. NEXT?"

[Cloud]

Like Elizabeth Smart's captors, who are both too deranged to stand trial.

Another reason to dislike religion.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Cloud

Another reason to dislike religion.

You probably dislike Jodie Foster too, using that logic.

[hackhelios]

If it wasn't religion, it'd be some other damn thing. Crazy comes in many forms.

How in the world is this girl going to restart her life? I can't imagine what she's going to tell the kids when they're older--I have friends who were born of rape that turned out ok, so it's certainly possible...but still.

The guy should be on death row. No pardon. Too many criminals are getting off on "whoops, sorry, I was insane."

[hackhelios]

Followup--I just said as much to my wife, and she laid some wisdom on me.

"So let's say the 29-year-old woman turns around and kidnaps a child. Does the same thing to him that was done to her. Do we kill her?"

"That's a different situation," I replied. "This guy inflicted a lot of suffering on this girl for a long time."

She smiled. "How do you know what happened to him when he was a kid?"

I had no reply.

[Brett's Honey]

Originally Posted by hackhelios

Followup--I just said as much to my wife, and she laid some wisdom on me.

"So let's say the 29-year-old woman turns around and kidnaps a child. Does the same thing to him that was done to her. Do we kill her?"

"That's a different situation," I replied. "This guy inflicted a lot of suffering on this girl for a long time."

She smiled. "How do you know what happened to him when he was a kid?"

I had no reply.

I have a nephew who had shit for parents, now he has a small son and he's a great father. He's determined to be better than what he saw / experienced growing up. So lots of folks do decide to go an entirely opposite route....we all do have choice....(unless, of course, we're completely deranged...!)

[classicman]

Who cares what happened to him as a child? What difference does that make.

If he was treated horribly perhaps he should know how that felt and NOT inflict that on another?

Remove them both from the planet - next.

[Clodfobble]

Followup--I just said as much to my wife, and she laid some wisdom on me.

"So let's say the 29-year-old woman turns around and kidnaps a child. Does the same thing to him that was done to her. Do we kill her?"

"That's a different situation," I replied. "This guy inflicted a lot of suffering on this girl for a long time."

She smiled. "How do you know what happened to him when he was a kid?"

I had no reply.

That's because you gave the wrong answer to her question.

Originally Posted by hackhelios

"So let's say the 29-year-old woman turns around and kidnaps a child. Does the same thing to him that was done to her. Do we kill her?"

Kill her, no. Lock her up permanently? Sorry, but yes. The only thing that makes her situation different is maybe she gets put in minimum security, with as many perks as they can reasonably give her along the lines of library privileges, etc. The fact that you have a valid mental excuse for something wrong doesn't mean you should be allowed to keep doing it.

This guy was a registered sex offender. Recidivism rates for this type of criminal are staggering. They need to start accepting that there is no psychological recovery for most of them, and stop letting them out just so they can do it again and again.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

That's because you gave the wrong answer to her question.




Kill her, no. Lock her up permanently? Sorry, but yes. The only thing that makes her situation different is maybe she gets put in minimum security, with as many perks as they can reasonably give her along the lines of library privileges, etc. The fact that you have a valid mental excuse for something wrong doesn't mean you should be allowed to keep doing it.

This guy was a registered sex offender. Recidivism rates for this type of criminal are staggering. They need to start accepting that there is no psychological recovery for most of them, and stop letting them out just so they can do it again and again.

I completely agree. I am absolutely not in favour of the death penalty. But nor am I in favour of allowing people who are driven to do harm, just continue to do it. Burglars can be reformed. Even violent killers can (and sometimes are) reformed. But paedophilia is a compulsion. If someone has proved unable to resist that compulsion then they will always be a risk.

I don't believe in 'punishment' for damaged people. I don't think it helps society and I don;t think it helps the perps either. I think there's a strong argument for compassionate but permanent incarceration.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by DanaC

I think there's a strong argument for compassionate but permanent incarceration.

No compassion deserved.

[hackhelios]

Permanent lock-up was my wife's suggestion, as well. She certainly doesn't feel sorry for them, but her P.O.V. is that killing them is going too far.

Sadistic behavior likes this makes me sick, so my gut reaction is to kill the offender and be done with it--but she suggested that it may truly be sickness resulting from something that was done to him, so locking him up permanently is the only solution.

classicman: like i said, that's my gut reaction--but consider this: kids who are abused by their parents are 10 times as likely to abuse their own children. These horrible acts don't teach their victims not to do it; rather, it corrupts them, makes them think that such harmful abuse is normal behavior.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by hackhelios

Permanent lock-up was my wife's P.O.V. is that killing them is going too far.

my gut reaction is to kill the offender and be done with it

These horrible acts don't teach their victims not to do it; rather, it corrupts them.

there is no real solution - thats the problem.

[piercehawkeye45]

Ah...the idea of the philosophy of justice in a world where it seems that justice does not truly exist.

I strongly do not believe in purely genetically good or bad people but that we are all products of a mix of genetic and more prominent environmental influences. That means for the most part, who we are as people is largely out of our control but this argument is meaningless when attempting to form a stable and civil society.

[Cloud]

Jodie Foster is a religion?

[Clodfobble]

A guy tried to assassinate Ronald Reagan because he was obsessed with Jodie Foster and thought in his delusions that it was what she wanted. The point is, it's not religion's fault that some retards are drawn to it.