Can you beat Verizon?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Beestie

I get bundled service from Cox (TV/Internet/Landline) and am very happy with it. And Cox is wiring the area for digital so they seem to be staying one step ahead of Verizon.

Cox is simply the Comcast of that region. Same monopoly - just change the two words - Cox and Verizon?

They don't rewire for digital. Your analog TV antenna is also a digital antenna. Same wires carry digital or analog - if wires were properly installed.

1950 copper telephone wires were sufficient for DSL. In every case, the bottleneck is what those wires connect to - not the wires.

Same with fiber optics. That bandwidth keeps increasing not due to more fiber. Existing fiber bandwidth keep increasing over the years due to the word that also makes America great - innovation.

Why was DSL not installed starting 1981? No rewiring necessary. But the local monopolist refused to replace that circuit switch computer with a packet switch computer. 1996 Federal Commication Act was Clinton saysing that if the company does not innovate, then anyone else can install that innovation on same company lines.

Notice how often companies will not innovate until required by government law - big steel, domestic automakers, coal fired power plants, etc.

Monopolies should only exist if their monopoly is due to innovation. Unfortunately, even those monopolies get corrupted as bean counters move in to stifle innovation - because their only purpose is profits.

What saves companies? Free market forces. For example the greatest America patriots bought cars manufactured in 1960 Moscow if those cars were the best. Buy American creates monopolies, destroys innovation, and undermines America. Threat of bankruptcy being one of the few tools that attacks the enemy of every company with vindiction. That enemy is a CEO who comes from business schools and only worked in fianance - does not come from where the work gets done.

Well, free maket competition saved 1990 IBM. Free market competition works because it attacks the enemy of every company - defective bean counter management. No matter how good Verizon and Comcast are today, their monopolitist market is ripe territory for MBAs to take over, stifle innovation, destroy jobs, and preach a doctine that always promotes corruption and threatens America: "The purpose of a company is its profits."

It was a silly myth that if multiple companies must install lines in the same neighborhood, then nobody would be profitable. Equivalent to saying only Intel patented technology can exist in an Intel microprocessor. Complete MBA bullshit. In free markets, companies even share the same telephone pole - despite what those MBAs say to justify monopolies.

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by tw

Cox is simply the Comcast of that region. Same monopoly - just change the two words - Cox and Verizon?

Both Cox and Verizon compete in this area (Northern Virginia). I can choose either one for any service (TV/tel/internet all from one, all from the other or TV from Cox and tel from Verizon or vice versa or TV from Dish, internet from Verizon and tel from Cox, etc., etc.).

They both can't be monopolies in the same coverage area when there are no restrictions on what I can purchase from either one. And neither one requires a contract - I can switch back and forth at any time without penalty.

There is no disadvantage to go with either Cox or Verizon or to get TV and tel from yet another provider. I don't see the monopoly. At least not in this area.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by tw

Smarter is to prepare for their installation. All networking, TV cable, phone, etc must enter and meet at a common service entrance with the fuse box. Simply prewire your Cat5 or Cat 6 cables to that point or where the WiFi router will be located (see below). If necessary, reroute all existing phones and cable TV wires to that point.

Install an AC receptacle on the box best with its own circuit breaker. Reserve an area on the wall to mount those Verizon boxes. Locate someplace (ie in the basement ceiling in the joists) where the WiFi router can have a mostly unobstructed transmission to the rest of the house. If not adjacent to the breaker box, then wire an AC receptacle for the Wifi that connects to the same above dedicated circuit.

Best is to install a separate duplex plug so that an existing receptacle is still available for other temporary equipment use such as a light to see and service the breaker box. And again, dedicated (separate) breaker because the system is essential for human safety.

This is all excellent advice, and wasn't clear at all from the Verizon FIOS webpage they gave me to prepare for the FIOS install.

I'm not going to have the FIOS service entrance near our electrical service entrance because that's in my woodworking shop, and it gets very dusty in there at times. Can't be good for high tech equipment. I'll have them put it in the cleaner half of the basement in the area where the current phone and natural gas enter. I plan to run a dedicated circuit (which I believe must be GFCI protected because it's an unfinished basement) to a receptacle there. Then I'll mount a large, maybe 2x3 foot, sheet of plywood to the concrete block wall there to accept all the equipment. You have an interesting thought about the wifi being located in the basement. I'll have to think about that. I assumed we would put it in one of our first floor rooms right next to the desktop PC. We have no laptops, but that will probably change in the future, and guests visit often with their laptops. They will appreciate the wifi.

I'm pissed off at Verizon for canceling our perfectly good DSL, but in the long run this is probably a good move. The price for this FIOS package is roughly equal to what we are currently paying for phone and internet, and the connection speeds are 10 times faster coming down and 8 times faster going up. I'll miss our old e-mail address though.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by glatt

I plan to run a dedicated circuit (which I believe must be GFCI protected because it's an unfinished basement) to a receptacle there. Then I'll mount a large, maybe 2x3 foot, sheet of plywood to the concrete block wall there to accept all the equipment. You have an interesting thought about the wifi being located in the basement. I'll have to think about that. I assumed we would put it in one of our first floor rooms right next to the desktop PC. We have no laptops, but that will probably change in the future, and guests visit often with their laptops. They will appreciate the wifi.

It's not the old punch-down blocks anymore. It's a big battery, a connection, and a router. It even looks nice. I had them put it in my living room, close to where the connection comes in from the street, and the installers appreciated it. When I added Fios TV, they exchanged my router for one with WiFi for free.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

When I added Fios TV, they exchanged my router for one with WiFi for free.

I think we're getting the wifi router for free.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

It's not the old punch-down blocks anymore. It's a big battery, a connection, and a router. It even looks nice. I had them put it in my living room, close to where the connection comes in from the street, and the installers appreciated it.

Did they bring the fiber optic cable into the house and put all the equipment inside, or did they terminate the fiber optics outside at one box and have everything else inside?

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Beestie

Question:

Why not the TV?

It adds $40/month to the price. We don't currently have cable and try to not watch a bunch of TV. It's on 2-3 hours a day, which is well below the national average, but still too much. If we had a zillion HD channels, the whole family would watch a lot more tv, and we don't want that. Especially for the kids.

[binky]

Can you beat Verizon? No, but I would sure like to.

[richlevy]

They tore up our neighborhood for it over a year ago and we still do not have FIOS available.

[footfootfoot]

Yes, Mr. Glatt. We are thanking you for your call and would like for you to know that we would certainly be happy for you to beat us, and we appreciate your patience in this matter. Would you like to be beating us with a stick or just with your hands?

[monster]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

Yes, Mr. Glatt. We are thanking you for your call and would like for you to know that we would certainly be happy for you to beat us, and we appreciate your patience in this matter. Would you like to be beating us with a stick or just with your hands?

.....or better still, why not upgrade the beating to our full service GPS package with the special oojimaflip phone, which is almost free after a mail-in rebate...

[SteveDallas]

Can you beat Verizon?

I don't know, but let me get a baseball bat... I'll certainly give it the old college try.

[Undertoad]

Cox is simply the Comcast of that region. Same monopoly

You know, you're overlooking a lot.

A decade ago, most people in the US had:

- one choice for local phone service
- 3-4 choices for long distance voice
- three expensive choices for wireless
- three choices for TV cable (local wired, two satellites, max 100 channels)
- a large number of choices for low-speed Internet access
- a few expensive choices for medium-speed Internet access (ISDN)

NOW, most people in the US have:

- four choices for TV cable (two locally wired, two satellites, max 500 channels)
- 4+ choices for local phone (what with Vonage and Skype and whatnot)
- 4-5 moderately expensive choices for wireless
- basically no choices for long distance voice, because the industry has changed
- two choices for high-speed Internet access
- a large number of choices for medium-speed Internet access (wireless with data plan, DSL, the satellites)
- a large number of choices for low-speed Internet access (dial-up)
- one choice for satellite radio (two delivery systems, satellite or internet)

[Beestie]

Just don't use WEP security. Use WEP2. WEP is a joke nowadays.

[Undertoad]

Yeah the cable comes inside and is terminated at a nice putty-colored plastic box which needs AC power via standard outlet. I think it's a little UPS with the "modem" inside, translating whatever protocol they use over the fiber to standard IP for the router.