All White Jury - Page 2

Ibby · 09-12-2008, 09:59 AM

My bad, I read too fast.
Okay, so. 12 jurors - still, only about 1 of them should statistically be black - and not having any isn't statistically shocking.
including alternates there's 18. 2 are black. 1.8 is 10% of 18. 1.8 rounds to about 2, so that's about right.

dar512 · 09-12-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

The jury selection is complete and O.J. Simpson is to be tried by an all white jury. There are 9 women and 3 men all white comprising the jury. Also, there are two alternates who are black. Anyone see a problem with this?

Problem with jury selection in general or problem with this particular instance?

As I understand it, both sides have a say in the jury selection. If the defense thought they'd be better off with the alternates, I'd guess they'd have been selected.

Shawnee123 · 09-12-2008, 10:13 AM

I'm amazed they could find a jury at all; most humans have some pretty deeply ingrained notions about the Juice, whether good or bad.

smoothmoniker · 09-12-2008, 10:36 AM

"Peers" is meant in contrast to a juror class, professional or aristocratic jurors who hear all cases in a given jurisdiction. It does not mean "people in my racial, gender, income demographic."

classicman · 09-12-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dar512

Problem with jury selection in general or problem with this particular instance?

As I understand it, both sides have a say in the jury selection. If the defense thought they'd be better off with the alternates, I'd guess they'd have been selected.

Just with him I see a real potential problem brewing since in his first trial the race of the jury was overwhelmingly black and he got off. This time they will be white and IF he gets convicted, it will bring up a bunch of racial crap that we, as a nation, have been trying to decrease. I admit I am overly sensitive to this issue, but the makeup of this jury still rankles me.

dar512 · 09-12-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

the makeup of this jury still rankles me.

Either the original article is misstating the case, or the jury is lopsided. I suspect that it should have read "all non-black jury".

According to The Peoples of Las Vegas the black population stands at just 8.3% but the Hispanics make up 38.5%.

Can you explain why it rankles you and who you are rankled with? Or is this just a gut feeling?

classicman · 09-12-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dar512

Can you explain why it rankles you and who you are rankled with? Or is this just a gut feeling?

Just that the jury is/ was described as "all white" - no mention of any other race, color, creed...

Shawnee123 · 09-12-2008, 01:49 PM

Gonna Get Me a Shotgun
Performed by Garrett Morris on 24 Jan 1976 SNL

I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see,
I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see.
When I kill all the whities I see, then whitey he won't bother me,
I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see.

footfootfoot · 09-12-2008, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Gonna Get Me a Shotgun
Performed by Garrett Morris on 24 Jan 1976 SNL

I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see,
I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see.
When I kill all the whities I see, then whitey he won't bother me,
I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see.

What a memory!

FStop · 09-12-2008, 06:24 PM

Well....he was guilty the first time, I think.

Trilby · 09-13-2008, 08:29 AM

Do I see a problem with this?

No.

Elspode · 09-13-2008, 08:40 AM

It was probably pretty damn difficult to find *anyone* who didn't claim to be overexposed to his murder trial, or to the subsequent civil suit (which succeeded, BTW, so somebody somewhere thought he killed his wife and her boyfriend). The main criteria for selecting a jury for this case was that they didn't have a preformed opinion about him being a criminal. That sure would have left me out.

It might not be too big a stretch to imagine that it was difficult to find an African American who either was neutral or who didn't think that this was just one more case of Whitey keeping the brother down.

binky · 09-13-2008, 09:54 AM

Since when is OJ "the brother"? He is about as black as Bryant Gumbel.

Cicero · 09-13-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by binky

Since when is OJ "the brother"? He is about as black as Bryant Gumbel.

xtc "house parties" with a bunch of white folks don't count, I concur.

TheMercenary · 09-14-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

The jury selection is complete and O.J. Simpson is to be tried by an all white jury.

I hear they were all tourists from the deep South.

09-12-2008, 09:59 AM	#1
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	My bad, I read too fast. Okay, so. 12 jurors - still, only about 1 of them should statistically be black - and not having any isn't statistically shocking. including alternates there's 18. 2 are black. 1.8 is 10% of 18. 1.8 rounds to about 2, so that's about right. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

09-12-2008, 10:13 AM	#3
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I'm amazed they could find a jury at all; most humans have some pretty deeply ingrained notions about the Juice, whether good or bad. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

09-12-2008, 10:36 AM	#4
smoothmoniker to live and die in LA Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,090	"Peers" is meant in contrast to a juror class, professional or aristocratic jurors who hear all cases in a given jurisdiction. It does not mean "people in my racial, gender, income demographic." __________________ to live and die in LA

09-12-2008, 01:49 PM	#8
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Gonna Get Me a Shotgun Performed by Garrett Morris on 24 Jan 1976 SNL I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see, I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see. When I kill all the whities I see, then whitey he won't bother me, I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

09-12-2008, 06:24 PM	#10
FStop Stretching the Veil Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 154	Well....he was guilty the first time, I think. __________________

09-13-2008, 08:29 AM	#11
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Do I see a problem with this? No. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

09-13-2008, 08:40 AM	#12
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	It was probably pretty damn difficult to find anyone who didn't claim to be overexposed to his murder trial, or to the subsequent civil suit (which succeeded, BTW, so somebody somewhere thought he killed his wife and her boyfriend). The main criteria for selecting a jury for this case was that they didn't have a preformed opinion about him being a criminal. That sure would have left me out. It might not be too big a stretch to imagine that it was difficult to find an African American who either was neutral or who didn't think that this was just one more case of Whitey keeping the brother down. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

09-13-2008, 09:54 AM	#13
binky all hollowed out Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ridgecrest, CA Posts: 982	Since when is OJ "the brother"? He is about as black as Bryant Gumbel. __________________ The meanest Mom EVER!!!!

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