Sheriff calls for guns on campus

It is not up to others to say what a free person needs.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

It is not up to others to say what a free person needs.

Good call rkzenrage. That bears repeating. The idea that we need to make criminal friendly areas because citizens are not to be trusted really burns my shorts. I don't want a heavy police presence, that is a sign of failing top heavy civilization.

[Flint]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

It is not up to others to say what a free person needs.

Within reason, right? Oh, wait...what is reasonable?

Oh. I guess we have to discuss that part and come to an agreement. There is no black and white answer.

Originally Posted by Flint

Within reason, right? Oh, wait...what is reasonable?

Oh. I guess we have to discuss that part and come to an agreement. There is no black and white answer.

Rocket launchers don't fit in my briefcase or backpack.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I agree, but... there's this nagging memory of college kids away from home for the first time, binge drinking and being nuts. Even as the exception they would be scary.

[Flint]

I got a rocket launcher in my britches.

[deadbeater]

I say go all the way with a pocket nuke.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

(Snort.)

[Urbane Guerrilla]

That many states restrict handgun ownership, and thus extensively CCW, to age 21 and over does pose a practical mitigation of this problem, though. As a onetime college student myself, I'm not at all certain how severe or immediate such a problem might be. Then too, college was in Arizona.

[Ibby]

Yeeup, that's right, y'can go buy yer shawtgun AND yer booze when y'turn 21!

*slaps forehead*

[WabUfvot5]

Have any of you ever seen the cops have to take down a crazed student at school? I have. To be truthful I'm really glad that nobody involved or around had a gun.

Let's see... in college you have:
kids away from their parents (many for the first time)
students taking drugs and also selling drugs to other students
the pressure of tests / grades
mental problems developing or worsening (sometimes due to drugs)

And the solution is to add guns to all this?!?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Jebediah, have you ever considered you'd want a defense against all that you listed, should worse come to worst? Must you allow yourself to be murdered because you obeyed a rule that helps you die, or should you take some other path that helps you live?

You already know my thinking on the subject, and the qualms of those disagreeing with that are not sufficient to move me. Their thinking does not persuade someone of sufficient understanding.

Do keep in mind please that a gun out is not necessarily a gun fired, and that a gun fired is not necessarily going to end in a homicide of any description. Really, the civil context for use of deadly force is well worked out, and well understood by those who are proactive in defense of self and other.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

...should worse come to worst?

I like your English.


I find it worrisome that people keep finding special cases where victim disarmament is needed. The basic argument on this one is that college students are too immature to possess a weapon. This is to be expected in a society which is killing off the remnants of individual responsibility. My Dad lived in a time and place where the rifle team could carry their arms on the school bus. We live in a world where adults can't be trusted to carry at all. Today, the police and criminals are armed to the teeth while honest citizens acknowlege their impotence in the face of violence. Personal responsibility, under attack from so many quarters, is on its way out.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Griff

I like your English.

Thanks!

I find it worrisome that people keep finding special cases where victim disarmament is needed.

Worrisome indeed -- I find it maddening, actually. This sort of thing is almost always an exercise in intellectual dishonesty, ill-disguised prejudice, and hoplophobia unbecoming an adult. Such "special cases" must be viewed with deep suspicion, and most generally if not universally vetoed.

Today, the police and criminals are armed to the teeth while honest citizens acknowlege their impotence in the face of violence. Personal responsibility, under attack from so many quarters, is on its way out.

Not while such as we still breathe. We shall push it back.

[WabUfvot5]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Jebediah, have you ever considered you'd want a defense against all that you listed, should worse come to worst? Must you allow yourself to be murdered because you obeyed a rule that helps you die, or should you take some other path that helps you live?

I've lived through plenty, tyvm. Even somebody trying to crack my skull open while I was asleep. For some strange reason I'm glad he didn't have a gun. How silly of me. Almost as silly as thinking a gun would have helped me in that case.

You're from CA, so I'd expect you remember or at least heard of the riots that took place at many campuses. What do you think would have happened if students were armed?

You already know my thinking on the subject, and the qualms of those disagreeing with that are not sufficient to move me. Their thinking does not persuade someone of sufficient understanding.

Wasn't under any illusion it would.

Do keep in mind please that a gun out is not necessarily a gun fired, and that a gun fired is not necessarily going to end in a homicide of any description. Really, the civil context for use of deadly force is well worked out, and well understood by those who are proactive in defense of self and other.

You're more than correct that a gun out is not necessarily a gun fired. I argue that college is a unique place full of pressures / stress and mostly young folk figuring out how to deal with all that stress. I've been witness to many a fight over various things and many a drug-sale and a few breakdowns. To me guns are not a good solution. Arm the campus police, arm the teachers, arm fucking robots for all I care - but not young adults under pressure.

Another semi-related question for you UG: have you been out and about and come across some angry mofo blasting their radio (I believe the atrocities are known as boom cars) loud enough to rattle loose parts while staring down whomever they see? It's rather common around this area. Would you be so bold as to tell one of those clowns to knock it off?