I don't normally do this, but I'm pissed...

Originally posted by Nothing But Net
I am applauding the Israelis. But the scenario you describe has happened. Ever heard of Martin Luther King, Jr.? Mohandas Gandhi?

Which is why I generally support Israel. I do not support the extremism on <b>either</b> side - Sharon's government <b>or</b> Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigades, etc. However, as has been pointed out in the past, one has to wonder what the Palestinians would negotiate with if they were totally peaceful. After all, their land has been stolen from them. They do have a right to dissent. "Well, if you don't give it back, we're gonna... uhm, be real peaceful and... uh... just be irritated with you." That'll show Israel. Yeah.

Where I have a problem with the Palestinian resistance movements is in their attacks on innocent civilians. I can't say that I would find too much wrong with them attacking Israel's military.

All I can say is when you take the last 54 years out of 3000, yes that is relatively recent...

The previous 2,946 years have nothing to do with the most recent 54. <b>Nothing</b>. This is now. Both sides are fighting. Both sides are to blame. Israel isn't striking back for their oppression pre-Exodus, they aren't striking back for the Romans, and they're not striking back against Nazis. How this is lost on you is beyond my comprehension. You do not punish the children for what the parents have done. Nazism, the Roman persecution of Jews, the slavery in Egypt... the Palestinians didn't do that.

Remember the picture of the mutilated body of an Israeli soldier being tossed out the window of a Palestinian Police Station? I don't think the attacks are random.

Of course I remember. Thursday, October 12, 2000. I didn't need to look that up. That's how vividly I remember. I also remember Palestinian extremists storming the building. I remember the citizen sticking his bloodied hands out of the window. I don't remember Palestinian police killing those two Israeli soldiers.

Regardless, you seem to be missing the point (yet again): How is Arafat supposed to "rein in militants" if he has no operating police? Or are you going to conveniently ignore that question and talk again about some irrelevant murder of an Israeli?

Little mentioned? Are you fucking shittin' me? The Russians basically did the same thing after WWII, try to put a buffer between yourself and your enemy. It's completely understandable, IMO.

I'm not sure if you misread what I wrote or you're just trying to look for another way to weaken my argument. Little mentioned is the fact that <b>Israel struck first</b>. I don't care about the buffer zone. That's understandable. That doesn't change the fact that Israel threw and landed the first punch. Israel has been the agitator in many of the conflicts.

Here you manage to contradict yourself in a single sentence! I don't think there's any symbolic purpose at all, they're simply giving a hearty 'FUCK YOU' to Arafat.

I find it rather ironic that you manage to contradict yourself after accusing me of doing the same.

Dismantling Arafat's government serves no functional purpose - it is symbolic. Arafat isn't sending out suicide bombers. No one's even accusing him of doing so. Why are they attacking him again? Why have they invaded his offices and destroyed his homes? <b>What</b> purpose did that serve?

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Well now the Isreali army thinks it can shoot unarmed peaceful foreign protesters on camera and get away with it, fucking disgusting.

I like this too, from http://www.msnbc.com/news/732442.asp

In Ramallah’s central Manara Square, an army major who identified himself as “Uzi” waved his gun toward reporters trying to pass through. “This is a closed military area,” he said. “If you don’t leave you will be arrested.”

Some of the military officers aren’t so nice. So journalists have been forced to learn a surreal kind of military sign language, slowly approaching tanks in an unthreatening way.

Trained on reporters, the turrets are raised up and down to indicate whether passage is allowed. In a more direct approach, troops fire directly at approaching reporters. Our armored car took 15 rounds as we tried to make our way back to our lodgings Monday night.