Holy Jesus! - Page 2

mrnoodle · 11-03-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

I never said you were. I was referring to the institution of Christianity, not to any individual person.

Institutions can't act, only people. By saying that "Christians do blah blah blah", you include me, an individual Christian, in your statement. I understand that you don't accept my definition of Christian, however.

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I never said it did. What I call expecting special treatment is: expecting more courtesy than is extended.

If you make fun of my God, knowing that I find it offensive, it is discourteous. Not illegal, not oppressive, just discourteous.

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Is this like: I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off my argument and sticks to yours?

No, it's like perpetually reframing the question so that you never have to answer it. Here it is again, in extended form, and with specific example:

If I walked into a room where I knew, in advance, that among the crowd were 5 Hindi, and I wore a big red dot on my forehead, loudly told Ghandi jokes, and asked where the monkey brains were, would I be considered rude? Keep in mind that we all have the right to be there, and it is neutral territory, so no particular group has a right over the others.

If I walked into the same room, and knew there were 5 Christians, would it not be considered less rude if I loudly said "Jesus effing Christ, that guy is a goddam idiot."?

Why?

Happy Monkey · 11-03-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

If I walked into a room where I knew, in advance, that among the crowd were 5 Hindi, and I wore a big red dot on my forehead, loudly told Ghandi jokes, and asked where the monkey brains were, would I be considered rude? Keep in mind that we all have the right to be there, and it is neutral territory, so no particular group has a right over the others.

If I walked into the same room, and knew there were 5 Christians, would it not be considered less rude if I loudly said "Jesus effing Christ, that guy is a goddam idiot."?

Why?

Of course it would. The former is direct insults, and the latter is saying a "bad word" in a way that the vast majority of exclamations in the English language are derived from.

mrnoodle · 11-03-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Of course it would. The former is direct insults, and the latter is saying a "bad word" in a way that the vast majority of exclamations in the English language are derived from.

The former is a direct insult because you know that's how it would be received. The latter is no different, but it's okay to offend Christians, because to consciously not do so would be somehow inhibiting to you.

side note:
lol someone accused you of being me

One of us should be miffed.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-03-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

I never said you were. I was referring to the institution of Christianity, not to any individual person.

That's exactly the problem. you cast aspersions on billions of people because of what one asshole did.

Happy Monkey · 11-03-2006, 01:59 PM

I don't believe in blasphemy.

mrnoodle · 11-03-2006, 02:03 PM

I don't believe in tree spirits, but I don't mock them out of respect for the pagans on this board.

This kind of thing is wrong, and every attempt to make it not wrong looks increasingly simpleminded.

Happy Monkey · 11-03-2006, 02:05 PM

Tree spirits are a dumb idea.

But at least they're frequently drawn as seminude attractive women.

wolf · 11-03-2006, 02:09 PM

Just hope, HM, that the tree spirits either don't think you are a dumb idea, or have already gone to their winter's rest.

Happy Monkey · 11-03-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Just hope, HM, that the tree spirits either don't think you are a dumb idea, or have already gone to their winter's rest.

I bet they wouldn't surf the net, anyway.

lumberjim · 11-03-2006, 02:36 PM

blasphemy is mrnoodle's asshole button

Pangloss62 · 11-03-2006, 05:00 PM

That soooo sounds like a suspension system for a 1967 Buick.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-03-2006, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pangloss62

Astro-Glide That soooo sounds like a suspension system for a 1967 Buick.

Astro was Chevy.

mrnoodle · 11-03-2006, 02:51 PM

Animal rights is my asshole button, if I have the definition right. As far as the religious issue, I just want the same courtesy I try to give others (most of the time), and it's impossible. Being white, male, and Christian, I have no recourse to force it, but I can keep asking.

Save your 'omg lol he feels persecuted' comebacks, I don't feel oppressed or whatever. I am not going to stop pointing out the discrepancy whenever I see it, though. Eventually I'll get a response that acknowledges the issue and admits that there is a double standard, then I'll be happy.

Flint · 11-03-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

Eventually I'll get a response that acknowledges the issue and admits that there is a double standard, then I'll be happy.

I acknowledge that you are observing something, and your view of it differs fundamentally from mine. I accept your opinion, and disagree with it.

Shawnee123 · 11-03-2006, 03:03 PM

And I raise you a tsk tsk

11-03-2006, 01:59 PM	#5
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I don't believe in blasphemy. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-03-2006, 02:03 PM	#6
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	I don't believe in tree spirits, but I don't mock them out of respect for the pagans on this board. This kind of thing is wrong, and every attempt to make it not wrong looks increasingly simpleminded. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

11-03-2006, 02:05 PM	#7
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Tree spirits are a dumb idea. But at least they're frequently drawn as seminude attractive women. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-03-2006, 02:09 PM	#8
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Just hope, HM, that the tree spirits either don't think you are a dumb idea, or have already gone to their winter's rest. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

11-03-2006, 02:36 PM	#10
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	blasphemy is mrnoodle's asshole button __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

11-03-2006, 05:00 PM	#11
Pangloss62 Lecturer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 768	Astro-Glide That soooo sounds like a suspension system for a 1967 Buick. __________________ Things are never as good, or bad, as they seem.

11-03-2006, 02:51 PM	#13
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	Animal rights is my asshole button, if I have the definition right. As far as the religious issue, I just want the same courtesy I try to give others (most of the time), and it's impossible. Being white, male, and Christian, I have no recourse to force it, but I can keep asking. Save your 'omg lol he feels persecuted' comebacks, I don't feel oppressed or whatever. I am not going to stop pointing out the discrepancy whenever I see it, though. Eventually I'll get a response that acknowledges the issue and admits that there is a double standard, then I'll be happy. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

11-03-2006, 03:03 PM	#15
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	And I raise you a tsk tsk __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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