6/14/2006: Traditional Chinese medicine - Page 2

wolf · 06-14-2006, 02:01 PM

If you were in Cleveland, that would be a surprising statement, Ibram.

Ibby · 06-14-2006, 02:05 PM

Well I do go to the Taipei American School, though about 90% of the school is Asian...

xoxoxoBruce · 06-14-2006, 02:26 PM

The guy in the background looks like he has an ice bag on his head.....must have hemorrhoids.

Wecome to the Cellar Owl, are you in the Far East?

seakdivers · 06-14-2006, 02:24 PM

Welcome to the Cellar Owl!

barefoot serpent · 06-14-2006, 02:41 PM

The ancient healing art of cupping may have multiple origins.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-14-2006, 02:54 PM

I have a cup in DoDads.

Owl · 06-14-2006, 03:22 PM

Thanks for the nice welcome.
Heh.
Not far-east, i'm in Midwest, heh. :-)

srom · 06-14-2006, 08:47 PM

when i first saw the picture, i thought the walnut was just a seriously swollen eye.

holistic medicine is cool.

Pancake Man · 06-14-2006, 10:31 PM

I'm sorry, but I must say it. Why does that old lady have a super-sized marijuana cig?

xoxoxoBruce · 06-15-2006, 03:54 AM

She would have to be stoned to let them stick a burning cigar in each ear and a walnut in her eye.

magilla · 06-15-2006, 08:52 AM

My father-in-law was trained in both traditional Chinese and western medicine. I asked him once if he knew any acupressure that would help me quit smoking (he was retired when he came here, so never got licensed for acupuncture). He said yes, grabbed my arm and squeezed. I figured if someone did that to me every time I started to light up, I'd quit in no time. (Zyban for a week finally did the trick, thank you.)

footfootfoot · 06-15-2006, 09:44 AM

Yes, but can chinese medicine cure Ed Zachary disease?

Karenv · 06-15-2006, 10:57 AM

Okay, here is where I reveal myself as a Doctor of Traditional Oriental Medicine, US and China trained, and a purveyor of moxabustion, cupping, needling and similar practices that may seem quite bizarre but which generally work.

Now, it isn't just placebo, but ALL medicine, including magilla's Zyban works better if it engages the placebo response. And placebo, for those of you who think it means "fake" really means engaging your body's own defenses to fight disease. (Magilla, btw, ear needling using the NADA protocal works better than grabbing pressure points on the arm. I have even used it effectively with crack addicts, along with counselling.)

Cupping, which is used extensively in a number of cultures- Russians, Italians, Egyptians, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, other Africans- works by
stimulating circulation and the immune response expressed through the blood, with some nerve stimulation thrown in for good measure. I have used it to lower blood pressure and once to stop hiccouping of several days duration. It may be acompanied by pricking the skin first, which yes does draw blood and sets off an immune cascade.

Now I have never seen the opthamologic moxa eyeglasses, or a moxa stick in the ear. The techniques taught in US schools are somewhat limited. Although they told us that an acupuncture student should always have a blister from direct moxa on Stomach 36, I never met anyone here who followed that advice. If you make a tiny cone of moxa and light it on a watermelon it will make a laser-like hole through the middle of the melon. Mugwort has some very cool properties.

Kitsune · 06-15-2006, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karenv

And placebo, for those of you who think it means "fake" really means engaging your body's own defenses to fight disease.

Care to explain this theory? I've never heard of anything suggesting placebos trigger an immune/defense response other than those that are conditioned responses. The other prominent theory, the exectancy theory, certainly doesn't follow your idea, either.

barefoot serpent · 06-15-2006, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karenv

Cupping, ... I have used it to stop hiccouping of several days duration.

cupping to stop hiccupping...

or did the thought of the process just scare them enough?

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Owl Slightly used Brank Spanking New Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: A2 Posts: 4	Nice Welcome Thanks for the nice welcome. Heh. Not far-east, i'm in Midwest, heh. :-)

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srom a small little word Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New York State and Massachussetts State Posts: 17	when i first saw the picture, i thought the walnut was just a seriously swollen eye. holistic medicine is cool. __________________ "I know enough about cooking. If it tastes bad, then fry it until it tastes good."

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06-15-2006, 03:54 AM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	She would have to be stoned to let them stick a burning cigar in each ear and a walnut in her eye. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-15-2006, 08:52 AM	#11
magilla Belt Conveyor Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 67	My father-in-law was trained in both traditional Chinese and western medicine. I asked him once if he knew any acupressure that would help me quit smoking (he was retired when he came here, so never got licensed for acupuncture). He said yes, grabbed my arm and squeezed. I figured if someone did that to me every time I started to light up, I'd quit in no time. (Zyban for a week finally did the trick, thank you.)

06-15-2006, 09:44 AM	#12
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06-15-2006, 10:57 AM	#13
Karenv Slacker Join Date: May 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 144	Okay, here is where I reveal myself as a Doctor of Traditional Oriental Medicine, US and China trained, and a purveyor of moxabustion, cupping, needling and similar practices that may seem quite bizarre but which generally work. Now, it isn't just placebo, but ALL medicine, including magilla's Zyban works better if it engages the placebo response. And placebo, for those of you who think it means "fake" really means engaging your body's own defenses to fight disease. (Magilla, btw, ear needling using the NADA protocal works better than grabbing pressure points on the arm. I have even used it effectively with crack addicts, along with counselling.) Cupping, which is used extensively in a number of cultures- Russians, Italians, Egyptians, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, other Africans- works by stimulating circulation and the immune response expressed through the blood, with some nerve stimulation thrown in for good measure. I have used it to lower blood pressure and once to stop hiccouping of several days duration. It may be acompanied by pricking the skin first, which yes does draw blood and sets off an immune cascade. Now I have never seen the opthamologic moxa eyeglasses, or a moxa stick in the ear. The techniques taught in US schools are somewhat limited. Although they told us that an acupuncture student should always have a blister from direct moxa on Stomach 36, I never met anyone here who followed that advice. If you make a tiny cone of moxa and light it on a watermelon it will make a laser-like hole through the middle of the melon. Mugwort has some very cool properties.

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