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Old 05-24-2006, 02:55 PM   #1
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"Moral equivalance" again.
I always get the image of a fight between siblings, with the bigger one constantly poking and shoving, and the smaller one constantly kicking and biting.
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Old 05-24-2006, 04:11 PM   #2
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I always get the image of a fight between siblings, with the bigger one constantly poking and shoving, and the smaller one constantly kicking and biting.
You might refine your image by replacing the poking/shoving/biting/kicking with small caliber handguns.
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Old 05-24-2006, 09:21 AM   #3
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Some insight into why the seemingly ubiquitous charges of "racism" are losing legitimacy. Is the word "terror" the next to be neutered though abuse?
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Old 05-24-2006, 11:06 AM   #4
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Great, now I'm hooked on Sinfest. Been reading for about five straight hours, and I'm only to Feb. '02... I'll have to finish tomorrow, I need sleeeeeep.
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Old 05-24-2006, 04:02 PM   #5
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Great, now I'm hooked on Sinfest. Been reading for about five straight hours, and I'm only to Feb. '02... I'll have to finish tomorrow, I need sleeeeeep.
BTDT, sowwy. :evilgrin:
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Old 05-24-2006, 06:03 PM   #6
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Which one is the bigger one and which one is the smaller one?
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Old 05-24-2006, 06:42 PM   #7
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Which one kicked ass in the last war? Which one has the support of the world's remaining superpower? Which one has not only that superpower's nukes, but its own as well?

Israel is bigger.
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Old 05-24-2006, 06:52 PM   #8
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Which one has not only that superpower's nukes...
Erm..actually no. We have that superpower's nukes, which we developed in order to survive... And Israel kicked ass in the 1976 war in order to survive.

The amazing crap that gets handed out in schools these days labelled "history" is both--amazing and crap.
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Old 05-24-2006, 07:24 PM   #9
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Your "Erm..actually no" is based on a misreading of my post, as If I were somehow blaming Israel or the US for having nukes, or blaming Israel for winning the war. I was merely stating facts.
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Erm..actually no. We have that superpower's nukes, which we developed in order to survive...
And Israel developed theirs in order to survive. Israel has the full support of the US, and everything that entails, so in a major war between Israel and the Arab world, US nukes, if used, would be in support of Israel. In addition, if the US does not want to use nukes, Israel has some of its own.
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And Israel kicked ass in the 1976 war in order to survive.
Of course. Thereby demonstrating that despite geography they are the big ones. That's my point.
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The amazing crap that gets handed out in schools these days labelled "history" is both--amazing and crap.
Non sequitur.
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Old 05-24-2006, 08:26 PM   #10
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Thereby demonstrating that despite geography they are the big ones
Until Iran has some too? Then will things be "even"?

I doubt it...Iran has already announced their policy towards Israel. Even a glazed-crater response from the US would be cold comfort to any Israeli survivors.

The strategic utility of nukes is a very complex issue. and the outcome of the '67 war may be more due to this than anything else. It certainly wasn't due to any help from the US; the only US military unit to see action in the 1967 war was USS Liberty.
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Old 05-24-2006, 09:10 PM   #11
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It certainly wasn't due to any help from the US; the only US military unit to see action in the 1967 war was USS Liberty.
Right. They won in 1967 without nukes, and without much US support. Now they have nukes, they've been militarizing more and more, and their relationship with the US is stronger. Plus, as your link says, their military is much better trained and prepared. You are strengthening my point. Israel is bigger.
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Old 05-24-2006, 10:58 PM   #12
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...as your link says, their military is much better trained and prepared. You are strengthening my point. Israel is bigger.
That doesn't make them bigger, it only makes them smarter.

Will Iran be bigger than it is now when it goes nuclear? Is it bigger because it's currently cozy with Russia and China?
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Old 05-25-2006, 06:46 AM   #13
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Will Iran be bigger than it is now when it goes nuclear? Is it bigger because it's currently cozy with Russia and China?
Yes.
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Until Iran has some too? Then will things be "even"?
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Since when did Iran become an Arab state?

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Old 05-24-2006, 11:14 PM   #15
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Since when did Iran become an Arab state?
Who said they were? I didn't.

Maybe you'll like this map better.



Yellow bearing labels is Arab or other Muslim states hostile to Israel. Red and blue are the original Palestine.

Red being the Jewish Palestinian State and blue being Transjordan, the Arab Palestinian state.

Oh...the red is the Jewish Palestinian state before 1947 when the UN subtracted Gaza, the West Bank and a piece of Golan to make...erm...well

..another Arab Palestinian state. That must be that "two-state solution" people are always talking about...Palestine *and* Jordan.
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