Talk about the Marichiko ban here

[Elspode]

Call me gullible, but I think that the fact that Mari *did* throw out so much intimate information, despite the apparent inherent hypocrisies which have been pointed out, demonstrates a willingness to be *real* with us here on The Cellar.

Reality sucks for the most part...but let he/she who is without hypocrisy or denial throw the first pack of smokes.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Elspode

Call me gullible, but I think that the fact that Mari *did* throw out so much intimate information, despite the apparent inherent hypocrisies which have been pointed out, demonstrates a willingness to be *real* with us here on The Cellar.

I figure she was being about as real as she could be. I'm not sure she was ready to acknowlege that her reality was heavily fabricated not just for our consumption but for her own as well. I'm no good at sifting for the "truth" in situations like this, so I go with my fallback anti-ban position.

[Elspode]

I think that people who get banned do it to themselves. I've seen it many times over the years, and I know UT has seen it more than I.

I have to disagree with this one. Yeah, I know...I suck.

[Rock Steady]

Elspode - I agree with everything you are saying here.

[Beestie]

She wanted to be loved. She needed to be hated. A terminal situation. By repeatedly creating situations which provoked attacks, she was able to get abuse from her attackers and love from her defenders.

Her last thread (Mari is a jerk) was the final act. She attacks herself to provoke a final outpouring of affection from her defenders, a final death knell from her attackers and depart having set the stage for armageddon between the two groups at her funeral. In a true armageddon, there are no survivors. I think that's how she wanted it. In the end, it was always about Mari and I suspect the thought that the Cellar could get along without her was both unbearable and irresistable and therefore inevitable.

We were all getting played.

[Elspode]

You can't get played unless you present the strings for the use of someone else.

I don't feel like I've done that. Do you?

Is Mari a Drama Queen? Nah. But she could easily play one on TV. But then so could I. And I have, I think. I'd have to do an old post search to be sure.

Most of us here on The Cellar have the luxury of being squarely in the Middle Class, warmly rocked in the comfort of our mortgages, car payments and Nine to Fives. Mari has never been part of that, and she's always been pretty square about telling us so.

I've posted openly and honestly about financial troubles...so has UT (remember the divorce/house value situation?). I've talked about being a heart bypass patient who hasn't the sense to stick to a strict diabetic/coronary dietary regeime. I've talked about having my kids running amok, I've written "poetry" about existential/romantic angst...

Why am I not being stretched on the rack the same as Mari? I'm not defending her...I'm asking why the same criteria isn't being appliled to *everyone* who bares their lives in the name of support and Cellar Reality.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by Beestie

She wanted to be loved. She needed to be hated. A terminal situation. By repeatedly creating situations which provoked attacks, she was able to get abuse from her attackers and love from her defenders.

Her last thread (Mari is a jerk) was the final act. She attacks herself to provoke a final outpouring of affection from her defenders, a final death knell from her attackers and depart having set the stage for armageddon between the two groups at her funeral. In a true armageddon, there are no survivors. I think that's how she wanted it. In the end, it was always about Mari and I suspect the thought that the Cellar could get along without her was both unbearable and irresistable and therefore inevitable.

We were all getting played.

Excellent insight. A lot of the above posts are chock-full of insighty-goodness. I see your point, Els, and I, too, have set myself up for Drama Queen Ridicule, told too much about myself, etc. I'm trying hard not to throw stones at Mari right now but she did sort of ask for attacks all the time. Her whole 'poor-me' story is so damn suspect--she claims abject poverty on the one hand and then buys a purebred puppy on the other. She was constantly doing this sort of schizophrenic thing. One second she is starving to death in America, the next she is buying the same brand cigarette as Brangelina and Dave Chappelle. She obviously has a car and a computer AND internet service. So many things just don't add up. Personally, I never did buy her claim to disability, but, as she is so quick to point out, I'm not a doctor or federal judge so what could I possibly know? Well, I know shit when I smell it. She is a con artist but she asks us to overlook that and swallow her BS whole. Didn't Mari's PoorPitiful Me story run in her local paper resulting in huge donations pouring in for her? I recall someone saying that. AND the very simple, heavily documented fact that she claims the Axe Murderer Ex-Boyfriend of hers stole 23,000$--now, come on! Am I supposed to believe that a formerly homeless woman with a crippling disability just happened to save 23,000$ Smells like the good ol' American Charity Spirit bailed her out, doesn't it? Whatever, I say. As so many of the recent nooby Pep Squad have said, "Live and let live!" Eh. It's over-rated.

[limey]

Originally Posted by Brianna

.... AND the very simple, heavily documented fact that she claims the Axe Murderer Ex-Boyfriend of hers stole 23,000$--now, come on! Am I supposed to believe that a formerly homeless woman with a crippling disability just happened to save 23,000$ ...

As she told it, she did once have a reasonable job, a comfortable home*, and could therefore have had the savings. The homelessness and disability came later ...
I'm with Elspode and RockSteady on this - sometimes she was asking for trouble, some of her posts were insightful, some were full of shit. A while ago I was vaguely acquainted with her on another board - FWIW the story told here was consistent with and consecutive to the one told there. However, UT, it is your sandpit ...

* Perhaps I got these bits from the other board ...?

[Buddha]

I never ever posted threatening or wierd pics. That is an absolutely outrageous accusation! I certainly won't come back here after that. I was mad that Clodfobble claimed I wasn't banned the first time around and, at the time UT, seemed to want to pretend that he hadn't banned me. That's all I meant. I know nothing about UT to get him in trouble over.

I came back on this board and I didn't post about wierd stuff, but people couldn't resist throwing shit in my face. One reason I'm on disability is that I have severe PTSD and its very easy for me to get triggered, so I make an easy mark that way.

The $23,000 was from my disability back pay. I was able to buy a used car with it, and my ex made off with a considerable portion of the rest.

The only other boards I post on frequently are my support groups. I am troubled if Limey and/or Ducksnuts are or were members of those boards and would post here about what was posted on a private recovery board. How would you feel if I did that to you? That is just wrong!

The only thing I posted about the AG people was that maybe it was time to get out the fly swatter. Fargon wanted to "eat them," and Beestie pretended to take up a collection to get rid of them. Patrick said their board died of a meth overdose. My comment was hardly that terrible and others here shared that sentiment at the beginning.

UT was the one who went after me with his "Marichiko smokes cigarettes" thread. That was simply mean spirited, and it seemed to me that since he owns the board and obviously dislikes me so much, he should have just banned me which he has done.

I can see that certain people here refuse to beleive me and you wouldn't beleive me if I posted my medical records or the Federal Judge's ruling. Why should I open up my life to further attack just for an Internet group?

The newspaper article was written by an award winning journalist who checked my story thoroughly before printing it. She called my doctors and the people involved in the story and spoke with them personally.

UT's accusation is the worst slander I have ever heard. It is my understanding that those nasty posts were traced to an ISP in France or something, at least according to the person they were directed at who was a friend on this board. I'm a techno tard. I don't know how to make my isp look like it comes from anywhere else than where I am.

Its beyond me why LJ and UT hate me so much. UT could easily have dispelled the Flippant/Atropos thing by tracing the ISP's there, as well. I have a whole slew of PM's from and to Flippant. Why would I send PM's to myself? Why would I lie about my story?

I had a good job and then I became ill and ran through my savings and had to go on disability. What's so amazing about that? I find it ironic that my refusal to lie or be anything other than myself has convinced people I'm a liar.

UT and LJ and others poked at me and poked at me until I finally lost it. Now UT has done the final nasty slur by implying that I sent threatening messages anonymously to the board. If anyone here is the liar. Its UT.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by Beestie

We were all getting played.

Which was clear from her first post ...

Borderline Personality Disorder.

Google.

Learn.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by wolf

Borderline Personality Disorder.

Exactly. I mentioned that she now has 'proof' that the world revolves around her. That's like deep-fried chocolate to the BPD. Irresistable.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by wolf

Borderline Personality Disorder.

Google.

Learn.

Google is telling me that there are as many definitions of BPD as there are pages that discuss it - and making me think that maybe Tom Cruise is on to something.
Seriously though, I would have guessed histrionic, but I'll defer to your expertise. Is it possible for you to elucidate on the difference and why you think a particular or hypothetical person would be one and not the other?

[Rock Steady]

Originally Posted by jinx

Google is telling me that there are as many definitions of BPD as there are pages that discuss it ...

This is exactly why you don't want to use Google.

Clustered results help you zero in on aspects you are interested in:

http://clusty.com/search?query=Borde...ity%20disorder

⇨Treatment (42)
⇨Health, Mental (21)
⇨Psychiatric (14)
⇨Suffering (12)
⇨Understanding (11)
⇨Bipolar Disorder (12)
⇨Self-image (10)
⇨Criteria (10)
⇨Advice (8)
⇨Recovery (6)


But these days, I just go to Wikipedia first:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderl...ality_disorder

[SteveBsjb]

I just think it's funnier not to ban; for all of us, in the long run.

[lumberjim]

spode, you keep asking why you aren't subject to the same treatment as she?

I thought we had covered this. here are the reasons:
1. you're telling the truth
2. you're not posting in every thread about how your experience relates to said topic and spinning it in a poor me kind of a way
3. you're a very good writer, and most of your personal posts are compelling.
4. you have no history of lies, plagarism or excessive drama

is that the kind of positive affirmation you seek?

I don't recall ever taking a poke at you, Pat, but apparently you've had some issue with me. I can appreciate that, and understand it. I'm a bit rough at times, and as you are a compassionate sort, I get it that I may have offended your sensibilities. And I actually care about that, and apologize.

It occurs to me that when I roast someone, there is a bit of collateral damage done to those who see some of the 'victim' in themselves. So....i extend the same apology to all of you who I've nicked whilst flaming mari.