Berkeley City Council Doing Its Anti-Democracy Bit

[DanaC]

That's an inevitable concomitant of our generating the "flow of security" into the Non-Integrating Gap, where security is conspicuous by its absence.

Wonderful.

[DanaC]

If the flow of finances/resources naturally flow from where there is an abundance to where there is a, or some scarcity.....explain why large chunks of the human population are living in poverty and starvation.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Radar

No, the Constitution just says the only valid use of the U.S. military is for defending America.

No it doesn't. While the Constitution mentions the common defense, defensive warfighting was not a shibboleth of the Founders. Indeed, the Constitution says essentially nothing about how foreign policy shall be conducted -- and a moment's thought will show you it shouldn't.

Lying in the service of antiimperialism, radar, is just plain ridiculous. Especially when we are the premier nonimperialist great power. It becomes ridiculous through lack of necessity.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by DanaC

If the flow of finances/resources naturally flow from where there is an abundance to where there is a, or some scarcity.....explain why large chunks of the human population are living in poverty and starvation.

See my reference to "messing with the flow" -- essentially, it's that in an imperfect world, people fuckin' ruin everything. The natural flows get impeded -- by what? Are the results good or bad? See what I'm driving at? A Socialist economic system has extra, additional chances for people to ruin everything -- an essential reason why I am not a Socialist.

[DanaC]

Socialism doesn't explain the third world.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

No it doesn't. While the Constitution mentions the common defense, defensive warfighting was not a shibboleth of the Founders. Indeed, the Constitution says essentially nothing about how foreign policy shall be conducted -- and a moment's thought will show you it shouldn't.

Lying in the service of antiimperialism, radar, is just plain ridiculous. Especially when we are the premier nonimperialist great power. It becomes ridiculous through lack of necessity.

Yes it does way that and I haven't lied. The phrase "Common defense" is repeated twice; once in the preamble describing one of the purposes of creating the Constitution and another in Article 1, section 8 when describing the limited powers of Congress. The phrase "Common Defense" defines and limits the role and scope of our military as being solely for the defense of America and for nothing else. It limits the war making powers of congress to being solely for the defense of America.

This isn't a lie. The liars are those who deny it. Also, your claim that America isn't an imperialist nation is laughable. America's government has saught to control other nations through bribes (foreign aid), threats, coercion, "nation building" (aka launching an illegal invasion and propping up leaders or dictators that are friendly toward the goals of the American government), using the U.N. as a tool, etc..

Neither America's military, nor it's wealth were created to "fill in the gaps" in places around the world that are lacking these things. America's military has one and only one purpose and that is to defend America from being attacked or invaded by hostile foreign armies. End of story. Anything else is a lie. Any use of America's military for any other purpose including peace keeping missions, humanitarian aid missions, enforcing UN resolutions, and any pre-emptive actions are 100% unconstitutional and illegal. They are a gross misuse of the military and anyone who orders or takes part in such actions is guilty of treason.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Socialism doesn't explain the third world.

Socialism creates the third world. It makes everyone poor. It punishes the hard-working and productive and rewards the lazy and inept. Socialism always collapses on itself, and those nations end up begging for money from capitalists nations.

[DanaC]

Ok. And just how much of the third world is communist?

[Radar]

Communist and/or socialist? Probably 80% or more.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

Yes it does way that and I haven't lied. The phrase "Common defense" is repeated twice; once in the preamble describing one of the purposes of creating the Constitution and another in Article 1, section 8 when describing the limited powers of Congress. The phrase "Common Defense" defines and limits the role and scope of our military as being solely for the defense of America and for nothing else. It limits the war making powers of congress to being solely for the defense of America.

This isn't a lie. The liars are those who deny it. Also, your claim that America isn't an imperialist nation is laughable. America's government has saught to control other nations through bribes (foreign aid), threats, coercion, "nation building" (aka launching an illegal invasion and propping up leaders or dictators that are friendly toward the goals of the American government), using the U.N. as a tool, etc..

Neither America's military, nor it's wealth were created to "fill in the gaps" in places around the world that are lacking these things. America's military has one and only one purpose and that is to defend America from being attacked or invaded by hostile foreign armies. End of story. Anything else is a lie. Any use of America's military for any other purpose including peace keeping missions, humanitarian aid missions, enforcing UN resolutions, and any pre-emptive actions are 100% unconstitutional and illegal. They are a gross misuse of the military and anyone who orders or takes part in such actions is guilty of treason.

False Wacko.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

Communist and/or socialist? Probably 80% or more.

False Wacko.


{edit: not worth the effort to argue with narcissists}

[Radar]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

False Wacko.


{edit: not worth the effort to argue with narcissists}

I am indeed a false wacko. You on the other hand are a true wacko.

It's a waste of time to argue with the retarded, so I'll just add you to my ignore list and from now on I can avoid hearing your mind numbing stupidity.

[Sundae]

Originally Posted by Radar

Communist and/or socialist? Probably 80% or more.

Cite?!

[DanaC]

That's a no win sundae. Radar will point to a bunch of regimes that were at one time rebels with the word 'unite' or 'people' in their name and suggest they are communist.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Cite?!

You are asking the wrong person for citation. TheMercenary has made rediculous claims that require citation. Although I don't agree with some of Radar's conclusions, at least he is willing to put forth supporting facts.

A more accurate question for Radar would better define a boundary between socialism and communism. At what point does a socialist nation differ from a communist? For that matter, the US also could be called a socialist nation. All depends upon where boundary numbers get applied.

France is considered by many to be a socialist nation. The French (what - five years ago?) rose to the top of the list - the world's most productive nation. Others who have been there include Norway. Are they socialist? Some say so.

So where is this numeric definition that defines a difference between a socialist and a communist nation? And where is this citation from TheMercenary for any of his posts? Oh. TheMercenary can post something without citations? Well, Sundae Girl, why the double standard?