Do You Own a Gun?

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I'm increasingly of the belief that this thread should be closed for protection of us all. Not only have two Dwellars resigned as a result of it, in a fit of pique, but yesterday J and I had a big fight over it. It seems to be causing some sort of weird change to the, er, natural order of things.

I was thinking of suggesting closing the thread as well, but I didn't know that was done in this forum. I wish I hadn't opened it to begin with.

Amazing what a simple question can bring about.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Kitsune

I was thinking of suggesting closing the thread as well, but I didn't know that was done in this forum. I wish I hadn't opened it to begin with.

Amazing what a simple question can bring about.

It's all your fault. I bet you killed Kenny, too, you bastard!:p

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I'm increasingly of the belief that this thread should be closed for protection of us all. Not only have two Dwellers resigned as a result of it, in a fit of pique, but yesterday J and I had a big fight over it. It seems to be causing some sort of weird change to the, er, natural order of things.

This thread is not the problem. Elsewhere, xoxoxoBruce, Urbane Guerrilla and Lumberjim, for example, are replying with profanity and personal attacks. So repeatedly that I kept asking if Bruce is OK. Yes Bruce, that is truly posted exactly as it is worded - no hidden agendas. But in viewing other boards, I now realize the hate and emotion is widespread. Another post asked if the Chinese have put something in our food (yes they have, but is that toxin relevant?).

Look folks. Like it or not, western world's most violent nation so condones violence that Virginia events resulted in what - a yawn. Nothing. No action. Forty some school yard massacres in the US when the entire world has seen maybe 10. Massacres so routine that Americans now do nothing - advocate nothing - to avert such massacres. SNAFU. As I posted elsewhere, we should start a pool for where the next massacre will occur. At least we do something.

British had no problem averting this same problem. Brits did step one and step two. Steps are posted repeatedly even in Banning Abortion and Guns in Free Palestine.

So what do xoxoxoBruce and Urbane Guerrilla post? Personal attacks even on The Economist (because it is a British publication and therefore must be evil?). IOW posts are now less based in logic.

OK, maybe they have a problem viewing from a strategic perspective - cannot see things in terms of the bigger picture. But why so many emotional attacks? No, it’s not just Duck Duck who is attacked personally for age, nationality, etc. Personal attacks are now widespread. Attitude change that coincides with the arrival of and number of posts from TheMercenary.

Yes - America's response to schoolyard massacres is a yawn. America's response to dead soldiers in "Mission Accomplished"? Attack Ted Koppel for honoring them. We don't even lower the American flag after a soldier dies. We did that during Nam. Acceptance of violence and the resulting increase in personal attacks is a predictable trend. Death and violence has become situation normal. Worse here are the number of posters who now use profanity - a classic symptom of mental illness or a decrease in intelligence. Included are personal attacks on one for age. Some posters can see if they are the target of this post. Did they post multiple personal attacks intentionally laced with profanity? Is that your post? Then you are cited as contributing to the problem. I am not politically correct. I am blunt and I am extremely honest. Blunt honest cites a benchmark: are you part of the problem?

Long ago I pointed specifically to lumberjim’s ‘bullying’ of "April"; a teenager who actually may have been posting for help. How many agreed with me? I don't know. But I now see the exact same 'bullying' posted repeatedly by numerous dwellers.

It's not a gun thread that is the problem. Listed was a logical response by Britain to eliminate their schoolyard massacres. Responses were chock full of profanity and personal attacks by an increasing numbers of posters - who now do it more often. One who says he talks that way needs to remember that The Cellar is not a whore house for your self gratification. We discuss logically here. Personal attacks laced in profanity are not useful, are not logical, and are not entertaining.

Again, did you find lumberjim’s bullying of April acceptable? Then that is part of the problem. We cannot blame it on melamine in the food; nor completely on another national problem. Somehow, personal attacks laced in profanity are now SNAFU. I counted maybe as many as 10 Cellar dwellers that are guilty in the past month. Some who apologized may be due an apology. I have never in 20 years seen so many personal attacks by so many and so frequently.

Profanity is not the problem. But it is a symptom of those who have taken to a ‘bullying’ and illogical attitudes. Eliminating the profanity is not called for. Eliminating an attitude based in emotion is called for.

Guns will always remain a contencious issue because so many will not even acknowledge that a problem exists. Another schooyard massacre? I'm betting the next massacre in Tennessee. How many want to see me with a four letter word and raise me their middle finger.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

Look folks. Like it or not, western world's most violent nation so condones violence that Virginia events resulted in what - a yawn. Nothing. No action.

And when tw, the original master of emotional posts and personal attacks was asked 2 simple questions;

What do you expect an individual to do in reaction to this shooting?
What are you doing besides accusing everyone else of doing nothing?

his response was true to form.

When I asked him these questions and Jinx seconded them, tw (Rush Limbawl) starts personal attacks, diversions, and flinging blame on everyone else, like a child caught in the cookie jar.

tw, fuck you, paper tiger.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

Like it or not, western world's most violent nation so condones violence that Virginia events resulted in what - a yawn. Nothing. No action. Forty some school yard massacres in the US when the entire world has seen maybe 10. Massacres so routine that Americans now do nothing - advocate nothing - to avert such massacres.

Come again?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2543277.stm

http://ezinearticles.com/?Americas-m...cord&id=531696

http://www.theinternetparty.org/comm...20040405000111

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Sep3.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11_July...train_bombings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_...hostage_crisis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Avi...s_405_massacre

[Radar]

Was it something I said?

[lumberjim]

we're john wayne motherfuckers

[Radar]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

we're john wayne motherfuckers

Personally speaking, I've never fucked John Wayne's mother.

[Cloud]

of course not--because arguing is futile!

Originally Posted by Cloud

of course not--because arguing is futile!

Good thing some of us are discussing.

[zippyt]

Shut this fucking useless damn thread DOWN UT !!!!
Some folksjust cant agree to dissagree .

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by zippyt

Shut this fucking useless damn thread DOWN UT !!!!

Why? It will just continue on here and if that thread gets shut down as well, the grudge will appear in a new one. The gun debate has been here before and it will come again in a cycle as sure as the seasons.

The only difference this time around is a handful of hard-headed posters that are more dead set than usual. Let 'em go, ignore the thread, and move on to other things. Why be tied up in this debate? There are better topics of interest, here. I'm not sure why so many people are still clinging to the gun discussion so many days after it was kicked off.

Beer. Beer and posting. Relax. It's good for you, good for everyone despite not all having come to that realization, yet. This isn't that serious of a place. ...is it?



Besides, if UT shuts this down, I'll be one of the few (the first?) to be honored by starting a thread that gets locked. While I'd love to have my name on the wall for that, I don't want it to be over a fucking yes/no poll question!

[Radar]

Someone stop the thread of death! lol

[Cloud]

Beer!

'tho beer and guns don't mix too well.

[Kingswood]

The second amendment does not confer an unconditional right to keep and bear arms:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

How many Americans who choose to exercise their constitutional right to keep and bear arms also choose to exercise their constitutional obligation to join a well regulated militia? Not everybody, I'm guessing.

When the 2nd amendment was drafted, there was no such thing as a modern police force in the United States, so such a provision makes sense given that the citizens had the responsibility of enforcing the law. This explains the first part: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State". Had the concept of a modern police force been invented some 20 to 40 years earlier, the 2nd amendment as we know it would probably not exist.