Ouija for 11-Year olds? - Page 14

Pie · 12-17-2008, 08:42 AM

To come to 'Spode's defense, the online version is moved solely by the program that runs on their server. Its answer is determined by its programming + a random number stream.

The cardboard version is controlled by the "human element".

Thus if you believe that humans have the power to do supernatural things, the cardboard version is far, far scarier.

Shawnee123 · 12-17-2008, 10:12 AM

I see what you're saying. That makes sense.

OK, I'll get off my cardboard vs webz thingy.

Thanks

Trilby · 12-17-2008, 10:20 AM

You beeeyotches are gonna be sorry when I get my glow-in-the-dark Ouija board (already named Capn' Howdy) to find out how you turn out in life!

Shawnee123 · 12-17-2008, 10:36 AM

Oh darlin' that story has been told!

And it's not a good one.

Trilby · 12-17-2008, 11:54 AM

You're not done yet, Shawnee

Shawnee123 · 12-17-2008, 12:02 PM

Let me know what the Ouija Glow says then, k?

Cicero · 12-17-2008, 03:38 PM

If you know anything about ouija, you know it comes from within. Unless you are stuck in a 60's seance with Madame Freak Freud.

Happy Monkey · 12-17-2008, 05:52 PM

It works the same way as dowsing- either outright manipulation by a participant, or subconscious ideomotor effect.

Ruminator · 12-17-2008, 09:36 PM

Dowsing, ever personally seen or done it? There are apparently more than one way to do it.

I saw it done for a water drain pipe, didn't believe it, and was told to do it myself which I did.
It worked- I don't know how... but it worked.
The form we used was two lengths of wire coat hanger each about 12" long. They were each bent at a right angle giving a 2" handle and about a 10" piece running out from each hand. When I walked overtop of the ceramic drain pipe in my yard, the two 10" lengths of wire crossed each other making an X as I looked down at them.
The pipe was buried about 4 ft. underground which we had to dig up so we could replace it. It was the contractor I'd hired who asked me for the coat hanger pieces to locate the drainpipe.
The best I could figure is that there must be some kind of electrical, magnetic field conveyed through the main house drain that it picks up inside the house.
But still, I was walking upright with my hands about 4ft. above ground level making the pipe around 8 ft. below the hanger pieces... cool stuff that has to have a scientific explantion, I just don't know it.

Anyone have a scientific explanation for me? I would enjoy learning about it.

HungLikeJesus · 12-17-2008, 09:40 PM

I find things like that fascinating, Ruminator.

Ruminator · 12-17-2008, 10:31 PM

Me too HLJ.

Undertoad · 12-17-2008, 11:14 PM

If you can successfully dowse in a scientifically-controlled experiment, you can win $1,000,000 from the James Randi Foundation. Dowsing is one of the things they have experimented for. So far nobody has won.

SteveDallas · 12-18-2008, 10:05 AM

Well now I suppose that depends on your definition of "scientific" and your definition of "controlled," doesn't it?

Happy Monkey · 12-18-2008, 12:15 PM

The definition is, essentially, "double blind". If neither the dowser nor any of the observers that the dowser can see know where the water is, then neither do the rods.

Undertoad · 12-18-2008, 01:43 PM

methodology for a test they did in Aus is described on this page

View Poll Results: Is Ouija suitable for 11-year olds?
NO WAY, nuh-huh, absolutely NOT	11	33.33%
Not really, but.....	2	6.06%
Meh	5	15.15%
It's okay, but.....	3	9.09%
YES, it's perfect for that purpose	12	36.36%
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12-17-2008, 08:42 AM	#196
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	To come to 'Spode's defense, the online version is moved solely by the program that runs on their server. Its answer is determined by its programming + a random number stream. The cardboard version is controlled by the "human element". Thus if you believe that humans have the power to do supernatural things, the cardboard version is far, far scarier. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

12-17-2008, 10:12 AM	#197
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I see what you're saying. That makes sense. OK, I'll get off my cardboard vs webz thingy. Thanks __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

12-17-2008, 10:20 AM	#198
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	You beeeyotches are gonna be sorry when I get my glow-in-the-dark Ouija board (already named Capn' Howdy) to find out how you turn out in life! __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

12-17-2008, 10:36 AM	#199
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Oh darlin' that story has been told! And it's not a good one. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

12-17-2008, 11:54 AM	#200
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	You're not done yet, Shawnee __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

12-17-2008, 12:02 PM	#201
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Let me know what the Ouija Glow says then, k? __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

12-17-2008, 03:38 PM	#202
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	If you know anything about ouija, you know it comes from within. Unless you are stuck in a 60's seance with Madame Freak Freud. __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

12-17-2008, 05:52 PM	#203
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	It works the same way as dowsing- either outright manipulation by a participant, or subconscious ideomotor effect. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

12-17-2008, 09:36 PM	#204
Ruminator Ohio fisherman Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 117	Dowsing, ever personally seen or done it? There are apparently more than one way to do it. I saw it done for a water drain pipe, didn't believe it, and was told to do it myself which I did. It worked- I don't know how... but it worked. The form we used was two lengths of wire coat hanger each about 12" long. They were each bent at a right angle giving a 2" handle and about a 10" piece running out from each hand. When I walked overtop of the ceramic drain pipe in my yard, the two 10" lengths of wire crossed each other making an X as I looked down at them. The pipe was buried about 4 ft. underground which we had to dig up so we could replace it. It was the contractor I'd hired who asked me for the coat hanger pieces to locate the drainpipe. The best I could figure is that there must be some kind of electrical, magnetic field conveyed through the main house drain that it picks up inside the house. But still, I was walking upright with my hands about 4ft. above ground level making the pipe around 8 ft. below the hanger pieces... cool stuff that has to have a scientific explantion, I just don't know it. Anyone have a scientific explanation for me? I would enjoy learning about it. __________________ ~ Perception is vital, reality is irrelevant... or is it? ~ "People never give each other enough credit for their contributions." ... a truer statement was never made. - contributed by TheMercenary

12-17-2008, 09:40 PM	#205
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	I find things like that fascinating, Ruminator. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

12-17-2008, 10:31 PM	#206
Ruminator Ohio fisherman Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 117	Me too HLJ. __________________ ~ Perception is vital, reality is irrelevant... or is it? ~ "People never give each other enough credit for their contributions." ... a truer statement was never made. - contributed by TheMercenary

12-17-2008, 11:14 PM	#207
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	If you can successfully dowse in a scientifically-controlled experiment, you can win $1,000,000 from the James Randi Foundation. Dowsing is one of the things they have experimented for. So far nobody has won.

12-18-2008, 10:05 AM	#208
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	Well now I suppose that depends on your definition of "scientific" and your definition of "controlled," doesn't it?

12-18-2008, 12:15 PM	#209
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	The definition is, essentially, "double blind". If neither the dowser nor any of the observers that the dowser can see know where the water is, then neither do the rods. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

12-18-2008, 01:43 PM	#210
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	methodology for a test they did in Aus is described on this page

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