Men Abortion and Choice

[DanaC]

It's funny. Throughout history, the one thing men haven't been able to exercise total control over has been the in utero development of babies. But fuck me, if they don't keep trying.

[Cicero]

I like to think of "the consolation of philosophy" at times like this.
Men pull a scrap of knowledge from philosophy's hand-made dress, and then think they own the whole damn thing. They seem more like idiots. (If you are seeing from the perspective of women's health issues...... ALL of them)
There's enough evidence here that shows- sometimes people don't deserve the sex you give them. (depending on who they are) Because they can't handle it. Never could. Never will.

Ladies, just say no........I think they've become too spoiled.

I wish Dana would quit talking about icky girl stuff.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Cicero

Ladies, just say no........I think they've become too spoiled.

I wish Dana would quit talking about icky girl stuff.

So you're one of the use sex as the carrot and the stick school. Do you belong to the, use the children as the reward and punishment school, also?

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

So you're one of the use sex as the carrot and the stick school. Do you belong to the, use the children as the reward and punishment school, also?

Whatever Bruce. Don't use a joke to sway an arguement. It's going to take a lot more than that to sway me from my arguement. Try another door on a different block. Teases are around the corner.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Cicero

Whatever Bruce. Don't use a joke to sway an arguement. It's going to take a lot more than that to sway me from my arguement. Try another door on a different block. Teases are around the corner.

Women that use sex and children as weapons are far from a fucking joke.

[xoxoxoBruce]

You heard my opinion.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Women that use sex and children as weapons are far from a fucking joke.

[DanaC]

I like to think of "the consolation of philosophy" at times like this.

You know, that was one of the texts that got translated into Old English, during King Alfred's reign. In fact, the preface to the English edition is alleged to be Alfred's own. The translator did make some minor alterations....to soften its pagan edges. Alfred himself apparently found great solace in it, when he was at his lowest ebb in the marshes, and the Vikings overunning Wessex itself.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by DanaC

You know, that was one of the texts that got translated into Old English, during King Alfred's reign. In fact, the preface to the English edition is alleged to be Alfred's own. The translator did make some minor alterations....to soften its pagan edges. Alfred himself apparently found great solace in it, when he was at his lowest ebb in the marshes, and the Vikings overunning Wessex itself.

I have to like it as- is because I know it's been mutilated but I'm not going to take the time to translate it myself from it's original text. I don't trust English translations at all (especially coming out of the middle ages) but I can't be forced to translate half the stuff I love-because I don't have that much time.......The mis-translations are intentional because even back then there were agendas as there are today........We can't have the greatest minds in the history of the world enjoying man-boy love orgies and writing about it openly......didn't happen. Or women boffing each other at 9 day pagan parties in worship of "bona". Nope.
There's your english translations- wrap it around a metaphor and strip it of "immorality" then layer it in modern poetic literature to cover the narritive holes....... Something even the Catholics can respect. Defy raw data. Apply agenda.

[wolf]

If men can't have a say on the child when it's in the womb, why are they expected to pay when it's out? Nobody has answered that one yet, have they?

[Stormieweather]

Originally Posted by wolf

If men can't have a say on the child when it's in the womb, why are they expected to pay when it's out? Nobody has answered that one yet, have they?

I think men should have a say on a child while it is still in the womb, in fact, I think such decisions should be made jointly, if at all possible. What I disagree with, is giving the man the LEGAL right to override the woman's decision if they cannot reach an agreement. Such a legal right would eliminate the woman's control over her own body and health. Because the fetus is still a part of the woman's body until she gives birth, any external control over it equates to control over the woman. Once the fetus becomes a newborn, it is no longer supported entirely by its mother's body, requiring monetary aid such as diapers and food, for which the father should be partially responsible.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by wolf

If men can't have a say on the child when it's in the womb, why are they expected to pay when it's out? Nobody has answered that one yet, have they?

For one thing, because the child might not make it 'out'. For another thing, who is it that has to pay all the in utero expenses anyway? For another, of course you're aware of how many men completely ignore the fact they have a child right?

[Happy Monkey]

The same reason abortions are legal, and infanticide isn't.

[Cicero]

Once again- let me explain this to you. I was making a joke. I don't care wether you think it's funny or not.

[Cicero]

Sorry about the misspellings and repeated lines everybody- I'm trying to toggle between work stuff and responses here every couple of lines. These things deserve more time...I know.

Bruce- don't personally attack me because you don't like my opinion or bad jokes. Just isn't right........if you have an opinion about the topic, I'd prefer to hear that....

[Cicero]

I need this explained. What does that have to do with the topic? Do you think people hold kids hostage because they are inside their womb? Not sure......I'm just trying to connect that statement to the topic at hand.