Gay Marriage - Page 11

JeepNGeorge · 11-25-2003, 10:18 AM

But are they fighting for all Dave?

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Why We're Demanding Access to Civil Marriage
If the marriage penalty is eased, we will likely, through discrimination in marriage, pay an even greater portion of taxes. If couples are getting tax breaks, those who file as singles (us) will have to pay an even greater disproportionate share. Even by paying more taxes, married couples still benefit from access to civil marriage in a myriad of ways such as social security, family protection, etc., etc. These benefits and privileges significantly outweigh the tax burdens that accompany legalized marriage. Same-sex couples deserve the opportunity to have equal access to perks as well as penalties.

http://www.marriageequalityca.org/taxation.php
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Sounds to me they are saying 'Include me into your little group so I can get some perks too damnit'

To me a fight for all would be 'Why is there so many biased tax laws for married couples.'

As it stands now gay couples have all the same 'human' rights as hetero people. The right to love whom they wish, the right to live with whom they wish, the right to grieve when that person leaves. The gubment is only denying them rights or 'rules' that they have made themselves. Instead of removing those rules and getting everybody, single or married, more equal they just want to be included.

FileNotFound · 11-25-2003, 10:20 AM

The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. - Confucious

Got to start somewhere, might as well be here.

11-25-2003, 11:41 AM

One of the proposed WTC memorials has a garden that can only be visited by family members of those lost for the first 20 years it's open.

Tell me how this is right for one of the many homosexual couples who won't be able to visit the site because they were not married.

As far as why they're not fighting for everything right now... would you fight a thousand front war? Or would you concentrate on one area?

warch · 11-25-2003, 12:11 PM

There are civil rights arguements between life partners of any ilk that are pretty straight forward and hard to deny. Its the issue of gay families, parental rights- the state's interest in procreation- that's freaking everyone under the surface.

11-25-2003, 12:17 PM

And yet, people like JeepNGeorge and blue58 will try to deny them.

elSicomoro · 11-25-2003, 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by JeepNGeorge
Ok here's another angle at this.

I want to open a discount cigarette store/casino here in OK.

Problem is they only allow Indians to do that here.

Why should they be given a special right by the government.

Any perks the Native Americans get seem pretty fair given that most of them were killed off and their lands were taken away.

Griff · 11-25-2003, 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by sycamore

Any perks the Native Americans get seem pretty fair given that most of them were killed off and their lands were taken away.

Those perks really only exist as a fig leaf of the sovereignty which they were promised. We should all have these rights but resenting nat-am's for barely clinging to theirs seems counter-productive.

elSicomoro · 11-25-2003, 12:40 PM

Agreed. Besides, you all know you're gonna get perks when I open mine on the Delaware in a few years anyway.

slang · 11-25-2003, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by sycamore
....... were killed off and their lands were taken away.

(lights fuse of the bomb....runs away quickly)

They didnt own the land. What court gave them title to it? Did god give them the right to it? They didnt believe in the white man's god. If they had converted, they may have been able to own the land they had previously roamed on.

They were killed for tresspassing on the land that the settlers had claimed and had title to. God gave the white man the right to the land.

If you're upset, be so at God.

SteveDallas · 11-25-2003, 01:26 PM

Ummm OK so what's to stop me from claiming the continent you American turkeys refer to as "North America" in its entirety. After all, I am the high priest of the Rite of Steve, and I claim the land in the name of the great god Steve. Now I realize that you heathen Christians don't worship or even acknowledge the existence of Steve, so you can just get the hell out. If any of you wish to convert, I'll be happy to consider granting you some property rights.

FileNotFound · 11-25-2003, 01:50 PM

Slang.

I URGE you to go rent Eddie Izzard. He has a great piece regarding colonisation and flags...

Griff · 11-25-2003, 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by SteveDallas
Ummm OK so what's to stop me from claiming the continent you American turkeys refer to as "North America" in its entirety.

*cough* Might = Right

elSicomoro · 11-25-2003, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by slang
If you're upset, be so at God.

Look, my peeps may be fat lazy alcoholic dopesmokers, but they weren't stupid enough to believe in some crackpot religious BS cooked up by Whitey.

ladysycamore · 11-25-2003, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by JeepNGeorge
Ok here's another angle at this.

I want to open a discount cigarette store/casino here in OK.

Problem is they only allow Indians to do that here.

Ok, so why is it that only Indians are allowed to open stores?

FileNotFound · 11-25-2003, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by ladysycamore

Ok, so why is it that only Indians are allowed to open stores?

If it was just stores! Why can only Indians be cab drivers?! Thats what I want to know!

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11-25-2003, 10:18 AM	#151
JeepNGeorge Hand-of-Kindness Extender Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Where am I? Posts: 139	But are they fighting for all Dave? [quote] Why We're Demanding Access to Civil Marriage If the marriage penalty is eased, we will likely, through discrimination in marriage, pay an even greater portion of taxes. If couples are getting tax breaks, those who file as singles (us) will have to pay an even greater disproportionate share. Even by paying more taxes, married couples still benefit from access to civil marriage in a myriad of ways such as social security, family protection, etc., etc. These benefits and privileges significantly outweigh the tax burdens that accompany legalized marriage. Same-sex couples deserve the opportunity to have equal access to perks as well as penalties. http://www.marriageequalityca.org/taxation.php [\quote} Sounds to me they are saying 'Include me into your little group so I can get some perks too damnit' To me a fight for all would be 'Why is there so many biased tax laws for married couples.' As it stands now gay couples have all the same 'human' rights as hetero people. The right to love whom they wish, the right to live with whom they wish, the right to grieve when that person leaves. The gubment is only denying them rights or 'rules' that they have made themselves. Instead of removing those rules and getting everybody, single or married, more equal they just want to be included.

11-25-2003, 11:41 AM	#153
dave Guest Posts: n/a	One of the proposed WTC memorials has a garden that can only be visited by family members of those lost for the first 20 years it's open. Tell me how this is right for one of the many homosexual couples who won't be able to visit the site because they were not married. As far as why they're not fighting for everything right now... would you fight a thousand front war? Or would you concentrate on one area?

11-25-2003, 12:11 PM	#154
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	There are civil rights arguements between life partners of any ilk that are pretty straight forward and hard to deny. Its the issue of gay families, parental rights- the state's interest in procreation- that's freaking everyone under the surface.

11-25-2003, 12:17 PM	#155
dave Guest Posts: n/a	And yet, people like JeepNGeorge and blue58 will try to deny them.

11-25-2003, 12:40 PM	#158
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Agreed. Besides, you all know you're gonna get perks when I open mine on the Delaware in a few years anyway.

11-25-2003, 01:26 PM	#160
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	Ummm OK so what's to stop me from claiming the continent you American turkeys refer to as "North America" in its entirety. After all, I am the high priest of the Rite of Steve, and I claim the land in the name of the great god Steve. Now I realize that you heathen Christians don't worship or even acknowledge the existence of Steve, so you can just get the hell out. If any of you wish to convert, I'll be happy to consider granting you some property rights.

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