Self Policing Militia Summons

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by classicman

I am not defending my actions. I am guilty of being an ass. Right now, I don't care anymore - I'm disgusted, both with myself and in general. I've been rereading a lot of what I have posted and I'm embarrassed. It is so contrary to the person I am IRL. I've even been discussing this with several current and past dwellars over the last few months. I've censored myself the best I can by putting them all on ignore.

I'd like to know if Merc and Redux have any of this same feeling. Do either of you feel at all culpable, or embarrassed that there is this type of backlash attributed to your behavior? Will you make any attempt to modify your posting habits?

Or is this seen as unfair persecution and infringement upon your rights to freedom of speech?

Originally Posted by lumberjim

I'd like to know if Merc and Redux have any of this same feeling. Do either of you feel at all culpable, or embarrassed that there is this type of backlash attributed to your behavior? Will you make any attempt to modify your posting habits?

Or is this seen as unfair persecution and infringement upon your rights to freedom of speech?

Culpable...sure. I said as much repeatedly. Embarrassed? Only to the extent that I should have let go of some discussions sooner rather than later and I will keep that in mind....and one set of comments went too far and, as I said, was inappropriate. With regard to most of my posts, not particularly embarrassed at all.

I agree with what both Dana and Jinx posted recently. It was helpful to hear what most had to say and I take it seriously. On the other hand, I got a good laugh out of a few of the others.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

Or is this seen as unfair persecution and infringement upon your rights to freedom of speech?

Yes and no.

The angst and double standard is disturbing by those of specific political leanings is quite disturbing, as a measure of setting the benchmark for normalcy and acceptable posting. On one hand if you agree with a liberal point of view I am the enemy, if you have any view contrary, I am the enemy. That is quite disturbing.

Let me mull it over.

In the end, as it seems the overwhelming feeling is that I am "troll", not just a person with contraray opinions, who is not willing to buy into the party propaganda, is also quite disturbing.

[DanaC]

I'm really not sure bans or infractions are the way to go tbh. Because two people can do exactly the same thing and that lead to entirely different responses. One may end up getting an infraction and then the other should also get an infraction but maybe doesn't really deserve it.

How do you actually measure what it is that is wrong here? Is it a personal attack? Well, if we can't all tell each other to fuck off, then really it takes something away from us as a group I feel. Is it a style of argument? Well, again, some people use a style and I find it abrasive and unpleasant, whilst others can say exactly the same thing and somehow it doesn't have the same sting.

I don't think my reading of the situation has anything to do with sharing Redux's political views at all. I just think it is unfair to single him out. I also don;t think it's fair to single Classic out. I don't think he does anything particularly wrong. If you actually look at any one of these discussions it is really very difficult to say who is in th wrong ( in terms of style not substance). But I find Merc's particular manner of arguing in political matters very annoying and offputting. There are others (I am not going to start naming names, lets not add to this any further ;p) who have the opposite political views to Merc that I find equally annoying and frustrating.

[busterb]

Here's a quater, call-------

[Flint]

I demand that you ban this motherƒucker!!!1

[TheMercenary]

Good

Fucking

God.

[monster]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Good

Fucking

God.

Wait what? G0d was in pr0n?

[lumberjim]

you should have posted :

[Cloud]

I would like to say that many of the people discussed here have been especially kind and/or helpful to me, personally. Mostly because I deliberately do not engage their rant button.

But I really don't know how to manage the political discussions without making everybody crazy. IMO, it's the nature of the beast, which is why I don't usually participate either here or in real life.

Based on my experience in other fora, I probably view moderators differently so I'll quite suggesting that.

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by Cloud

I would like to say that many of the people discussed here have been especially kind and/or helpful to me, personally. Mostly because I deliberately do not engage their rant button.

But I really don't know how to manage the political discussions without making everybody crazy. IMO, it's the nature of the beast, which is why I don't usually participate either here or in real life.

Based on my experience in other fora, I probably view moderators differently so I'll quite suggesting that.

I like your discussions. You have good questions and ideas. When it gets heated you withdraw. I can respect your reasons for doing so.

[Cloud]

it's not a popular stance here, but maybe we could use a bit more of it in the political discussion threads.

Most of the time, you're not going to change the other people's viewpoints anyway, so--state your viewpoint, discuss it, but don't keep beating at it and inflating the passions of the participants past the point of reason.

[TheMercenary]

Hmmmm.... I will have to think about that for a bit.

[Undertoad]

Well part of it is your style, which is dismissive without any further real dialogue. I was disappointed when you did not accept a moderated discussion.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Well part of it is your style, which is dismissive without any further real dialogue. I was disappointed when you did not accept a moderated discussion.

I fully understand your point but I just couldn't see the value in having a discussion with a person that I disagree with on so many levels. I believe Redux is a plant whose only purpose is to disrupt and put out the Demoncratic point of view. Very little will be and has been gleemed from any exchange of views other than White House talking points and propaganda. If you look at the websites that support the Dems nearly everthing he says is right out of a playbook.... so what is the point?

I do not expect to change his mind and he should not expect to change mine. He is a tool of the Demoncrats, put here to expouse the propaganda of the Demoncrats. I hate all of them. Republickins and Demoncrats alike, it just so happens the Dems are in charge and have been for the last 4 years, so they get the blame and responsibility for all our ills. Tough shit, sucks to be in charge....