President Donald John Trump

[xoxoxoBruce]

Trump is the new black.

[tw]

Originally Posted by glatt

Except that none of this is normal.

You guys, this isn't normal.

It's not.

This has always been normal for Trump. Nothing new. As obvious in the presidential campaign over 1 year ago.

[sexobon]

When was the last time you got the impression that tw liked you; or, valued your opinion and wasn't just feigning interest so you'd continue to listen to his rhetoric [rhetorical]? Tw is just a propagandist abusing this venue. Nothing new. As obvious in the Cellar since over 1 year ago.

[Griff]

He is beginning to send the stock market the other way. That is the only sin in modern 'merica.

[henry quirk]

Here's what you got, multiple times...

An unnamed source ponies up unsubstantiated information to a propagandist rag, one overtly skewed against Trump.

Promptly, other propagandist outlets, all overtly skewed against Trump, snatch up on the story, each and every one declaring him guilty (without real investigation, without trial).

Sound and fury, signifying nuthn'.

Trump ain't goin' nowhere.

And even if he does...

https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/..._of_succession

[glatt]

Most of the stories have been substantiated numerous times over by multiple sources. They are unnamed only to the public. The newspapers know their names. If their names were shared, then they would stop talking freely.

Papers like the Washington Post and NYT may slant their stories by their choice of words, but they don't make shit up.

In fact, the White House comes out after these stories and say they are absolutely false, and then confirm them as they talk about each individual detail. Like the sharing top secret info with the Russians story.

[henry quirk]

"Most of the stories have been substantiated numerous times over by multiple sources. They are unnamed only to the public. The newspapers know their names. If their names were shared, then they would stop talking freely."

I see...I should 'trust' the propagandists...cuz they're 'reporters', have 'ethics', are 'moral'. And the anons, I should 'trust' them too...cuz they offer up 'fact' while wearing a mask.

Mueller, with the wide scope of his lent power, may just put an end to all that unnamed sourcing...hell, he'll have to...the accused always gets to face his accuser in court.

#

"Papers like the Washington Post and NYT may slant their stories by their choice of words, but they don't make shit up."

When the Post printed that Comey wanted more resources for the 'Russia Investigation' and AD McCabe sez 'no, that didn't happen, we have adequate resources', what was that?

When some rag reported the DoJ's Rosenstein had a conniption and threatened to quit, and Rosenstein sez 'no that didn't happen', what was that?

Honest mistake, or propaganda...the Shadow knows (and soon, so will we, by way of Mueller).

#

"Like the sharing top secret info with the Russians story."

Trump's sin here is bein' knocked off-kilter, gettin' flustered, shootin' his mouth off. That, and bein' surrounded by (perhaps) well-intentioned advisors givin' him god-awful advice. He does sumthn' well within the scope of his office and he gets slammed, supposedly cuz he outted Israel...funny, I ain't heard one word of complaint from Netanyahu...mebbe cuz he'd given his blessing to that disclosure before hand?

I don't know...I'm thinkin' the press doesn't know either (but, damned straight, they will write stories claiming they do).


Understand, I'm not a Trump apologist...he was, as I explained elsewhere, the lesser of two evils to me (and still is)...if he done wrong, let that wrong be aired, proven, and dealt with, in court. This flaying away at him, this declaration -- subtle or gross -- of his guilt by folks who are supposed to convey fact, not color it, is small and wrong. I'll no more climb up on that haywagon than I will the other where all riders say Trump can do no wrong.

I'll applaude when he does good; condemn when his wrong-doing is proven...till then: this cheese stands alone.

[tw]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

if he done wrong, let that wrong be aired, proven, and dealt with, in court. This flaying away at him, this declaration -- subtle or gross -- of his guilt by folks who are supposed to convey fact, not color it, is small and wrong.

Apparently you were not around for Watergate. A seriously corrupt president was removed only because facts were provided in a same manner. This is democracy doing things right. Reporting facts. As learned from Watergate, it can take years of facts to finally get rid of a president - who even massacred tens of thousands of Americans in Vietnam to protect his legacy.

Some presidents work for a nation. Others work to promote themselves. At this point, nobody can deny it. Trump is the latter. The constant drip... drip... drip... necessary in a healthy democracy makes that obvious.

Trump is not an honest man. That much was obvious so long ago. So much so that psychiatrists even ask if his lying is a symptom of mental illness. Not yet known is if any impeachable crimes have been committed. And so we absolutely need a constant drip... drip... drip... At this point, it would be the only thing that keeps Trump from committing impeachable crimes.

Putin got the type of President he wanted. Trump is a perfect patsy for a chess player like Putin.

[henry quirk]

"Not yet known is if any impeachable crimes have been committed"

Bingo!

Nice of you to admit it.

It would be equally nice if 'the press' could admit it too.

[glatt]

Has he been impeached?

[Happy Monkey]

There's no such thing as an "impeachable crime"; it's purely up to Congress. Their guidance is "high crimes and misdemeanors", but in the end it's just whether 50%+1 of the Representatives, and 67% of the Senators want you out.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

There's no such thing as an "impeachable crime"; it's purely up to Congress. Their guidance is "high crimes and misdemeanors", but in the end it's just whether 50%+1 of the Representatives, and 67% of the Senators want you out.

Actually, it's about half that. If 50% + 1 of the Representatives vote in favor of impeachement, the President is impeached. Period.

The Senate may or may not convict with a 2/3 vote in favor, but the President is still impeached, cf. Clinton.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by tw

... Not yet known is if any impeachable crimes have been committed. ... At this point, it would be the only thing that keeps Trump from committing impeachable crimes. ...

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

There's no such thing as an "impeachable crime" ...

There seems to be a disparity here.

[xoxoxoBruce]

There are impeachable crimes, they just aren't written into law.

[sexobon]

You mean like fashion crimes?