Obama Care vs Republicans

[glatt]

??? Because the oil and gas companies are going to pay for everyone's health care? Or is it just some sort of sense of negotiating? Obama allows a pipeline and the republicans will allow healthcare.

You can't get rid of the pre-exisiting conditions exclusion without having universal health care. Otherwise, people will just wait until they get sick and then sign up. It simply doesn't work.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by glatt

??? Because the oil and gas companies are going to pay for everyone's health care? Or is it just some sort of sense of negotiating? Obama allows a pipeline and the republicans will allow healthcare.

Because we can pay for things if we have more $$$. With more oil and gas, we (the nation), have a lot more $$$, and a lot less deficit. Norway largely funds it's socialized health care system, from it's North Sea oil wells.

You can't get rid of the pre-exisiting conditions exclusion without having universal health care. Otherwise, people will just wait until they get sick and then sign up. It simply doesn't work.

Please don't make me laugh so hard. We do this for all kinds of insurance. You have never worked in the insurance business have you? It's not as clean and simple as you seem to think it should be, but it's very doable; indeed, done every day.

You may have noticed that our economic recovery has been happening much slower than anyone predicted. Much slower than any of our recent depressions/recessions.

The biggest reason for that, is Barrack Obama's policies. At the same time he is spending like a drunken sailor, money we don't have, he's also put expensive and/or crippling requirements into place.

Top of the list, is refusing to allow any further gas and oil drilling, on any Federal land. He brags about how we're producing more gas and oil than ever, but that's ALL because he can't stop drilling on PRIVATE land. See, if you've been lied to, and the liar wasn't Barrack Obama or Bill Clinton, you haven't begun to get the very best lies just yet. Stay tuned for more!

Now the states have picked this up, and are passing laws to restrict drilling, even on private land where it was previously allowed. California is one of them.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Adak

Because we can pay for things if we have more $$$. With more oil and gas, we (the nation), have a lot more $$$, and a lot less deficit. Norway largely funds it's socialized health care system, from it's North Sea oil wells.

Which are also socialized.

Oil drilled in America won't be giving 62.5% of its dividends back to us (the nation). A little extra profit for ExxonMobil isn't going to help our deficit.

If our choice was despoil our environment, but get single-payer healthcare, that may be a debate. But if our choice is despoil our environment and hope to get trickled down on, there isn't.

[Adak]

I don't accept that insurance is "socialized". It spreads the risk and payments out, across the subscribers. Lloyds of London is NOT a socialist organization.

That's a lot different than "spreading the wealth", the way Obama has made it clear he wants to do. He makes it sound like he's not using the gov't to STEAL our money, which he certainly is. I have NO problem with medicare, because it's insurance. We pay into the system (usually, some have their own similar program), and when we need it, it's there.

Sure, payments and benefits are adjusted from time to time, but the idea is, it's something we contribute to, and can draw from, when we get ill. It's insurance.

In the Senate today, although the Senate Republican leaders have pulled the rug out from underneath them, Sen. Cruz, Lee, and a few others, are giving LONG (5 hours long, and growing), impassioned speeches on the Senate Floor, why Obama Care should be defunded.

Frankly, it's hopeless, imo, but I do dearly love the way Cruz, Lee, and the others, have stood up for what their voters have asked for.
Quite inspiring, every one of them.

Senator Cruz for President!

[Adak]

Sen. Cruz and buddies are STILL talking on the Senate Floor, at 03:30 AM.! They'll be speaking all night.

It's not a filibuster, because it won't stop the upcoming vote on the Senate - but it's great to hear them!

I loved the letters from the IRS union (who will have to enforce Obama Care enrollment), complaining about Obama Care! Sweet!

Labor is finally realizing how much they stand to lose in the way of their health benefits, and possible loss of hours, at work.

Reminds me of Jimmy Stewart in the political movie,
"Mr. Smith Goes to Washington".

[Lamplighter]

Wall Street Journal
9/25/13

Prices Set for New Health-Care Exchanges



U.S. officials for the first time disclosed insurance prices that will be offered
through new federally run health-care exchanges starting Oct. 1, showing that
young, healthy buyers likely will pay more than they do currently
while older, sicker consumers should get a break.

The plans, offered under the health-care overhaul to people who don't get insurance
through an employer or government program, in many cases provide broader coverage than current policies.

Across the country, the average premium for a 27-year-old nonsmoker,
regardless of gender, will start at $163 a month for the lowest-cost "bronze" plan;
$203 for the "silver" plan, which provides more benefits than bronze; and
$240 for the more-comprehensive "gold" plan.<snip>

The Affordable Care Act marks a fundamental shift in the way insurers price their products.
Carriers won't be allowed to charge higher premiums for consumers
who have medical histories suggesting they might be more expensive
to cover because they need more care. They will have to treat customers equally,
with limited variation in premiums based on buyers' ages or whether they smoke.
Insurers also will have to offer a more generous benefits package that includes
hospital care, preventive services, prescription drugs and maternity coverage.
<snip>
The administration has pointed to new federal subsidies that
many lower-income Americans will be able to use to help offset the cost of premiums.
The data released by the administration indicated that for younger single people,
the value of the subsidies would be generous for someone with an annual income
of up to about $25,000, though it could tail off after that.