The Real Mitt Romney

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Adak

Sam, I could believe you - if only my eyes could actually see what you claim to be true.

Sadly, they can't, and so I can't. But I understand - facts are horribly resistant to the change that every liberal would love them to be.

It may be difficult to get into the SSD program, but it IS being done, by people who are SO DISABLED, that they run a roofing business, on the side, etc.

For about the 16th million time, the acronym is SSI/SSDI NOT DI and NOT SSD. If you can't even get the name right, how are we supposed to believe that you got anything else right, either?

The sleaze bag on SSI/SSDI who runs a construction business or drives huge trucks cross country on a 24/7 basis or who runs a saw mill and picks up his gov't check after putting in a good 10 hour day tossing around hundreds of tons of wooden planks is one of those urban myths that stubborningly refuses to die.

Not a single person EVER who has related such stories to me actually knew the villian involved. The story teller always knows OF the bad guy but seldom anything ABOUT him. Like, did you ever ask your buddy if he's on private disability instead of SSI/SSDI? Private is usually easier to get and it pays more. Federal takes forever and what they pay a person on SSI could barely keep a flea alive. The amount SSI recipients get currently is $680.00/mo. That's it. Period. Once you get your SSI, you may qualify to get on the wait list for a housing voucher - usually takes 2 - 5 years, and if you haven't died yet by time your name comes to the top of the list, Uncle Sugar will grudgingly hand you a voucher that allows a single person to rent a tiny one bedroom apartment - if he sticks to places on the wrong side of the tracks of course.

The payoff is just hardly ever worth the energy required to deal with the Feds and pull off really major lies to a succession of health care professionals. Oh, and you also need to get your old employers in on it with you - they have to fill out forms about the quality of your efforts back when you worked for them. In my experience, busy small business owners who I had to go back to and beg them to fill out my form got kind of irritated. They did it because they could see that I needed the help, but otherwise why should they bother?

I suggest you get a new pair of glasses - maybe 3 or 4 of them.

Originally Posted by Adak

I honestly have no idea of what the numbers are for fraud, with SSD. That's one of the problems - they have no one who checks on these claimants. Once they're approved, that's it. That is like a bear to honey.

At this point I can only congratulate you on what is obviously a deep dedication to maintaining your belief in something which in fact has no basis in reality. It must be really hard to walk around all day with your head up your ass that way - sorry to be so blunt, but I've never read such blatent lies in quite sometime.

In fact, could you do me a little favor and call up my social security caseworker and inform her that she no longer needs to send me those recertification forms each year and that my doctors no longer have to waste their time sending her updates regarding my condition. What a relief it would be to get rid of at least some of that paperwork!

Come to think of it, I'm feeling pretty PO'ed that you never bothered to inform either me or the government of our "bear to the honey" status until just now. No! Instead, a few months ago I had to fill out a 26 page government form - one of the worst paperwork nightmares I have ever seen in my life. It took me almost a MONTH to finish that damn thing, staying up late to get just one more question finished.

I was applying to be allowed admission into a special rehabilitation program which could possibly allow me to become self supporting. The government was so indifferent to my disability status that the director of the program, Carolyn the Fed, called me 5 times - FIVE, I kid you not - LONG Distance, to grill me about the various aspects of my plan and my current abilities. The Feds have also fired off to me 3 envelopes of more forms to be filled out, and 2 or 3 sets of detailed instructions which must be followed to the letter. Otherwise, I will get more fact finding interrogations from Carolyn the Fed. And Carolyn CARES. She cares BIG TIME!

So, in conclusion, thank you for so completely proving that your information is totally unreliable and that your comments are less trustworthy then Urbane Guerilla's - a low that it's almost impossible for anyone else to sink to, but you have done it.

By the process of reducto ad absurdem you have nicely proved my points for me. Good job!

So, what else do you know about the Easter Bunny?

AND for anyone who is honestly curious about the amount of fraud that occurs with the Social Security Administration - including overpaying and UNDERpaying regular Social Security retirement benefits as well as overpayment and UNDERpayment in the SSI/SSDI programs, that amount comes to 2% a year TOTAL. For ALL of the SSA. This was the most recent report as of September 2012. If you enjoy reading stuff that the Government Accounting Office puts out, click on the report here and expect to fall asleep within 5 minutes.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by SamIam

For about the 16th million time, the acronym is SSI/SSDI NOT DI and NOT SSD. If you can't even get the name right, how are we supposed to believe that you got anything else right, either?

The sleaze bag on SSI/SSDI who runs a construction business or drives huge trucks cross country on a 24/7 basis or who runs a saw mill and picks up his gov't check after putting in a good 10 hour day tossing around hundreds of tons of wooden planks is one of those urban myths that stubborningly refuses to die.

Not hardly. Back in the day when investigative reporting meant actually investigating, they showed the guy up working on his clients roofing. In video. He's fully disabled, but he's walking up a ladder, and installing the roofing - no problem.

Not a single person EVER who has related such stories to me actually knew the villian involved. The story teller always knows OF the bad guy but seldom anything ABOUT him. Like, did you ever ask your buddy if he's on private disability instead of SSI/SSDI? Private is usually easier to get and it pays more. Federal takes forever and what they pay a person on SSI could barely keep a flea alive. The amount SSI recipients get currently is $680.00/mo. That's it. Period. Once you get your SSI, you may qualify to get on the wait list for a housing voucher - usually takes 2 - 5 years, and if you haven't died yet by time your name comes to the top of the list, Uncle Sugar will grudgingly hand you a voucher that allows a single person to rent a tiny one bedroom apartment - if he sticks to places on the wrong side of the tracks of course.

Yes. They called it SSI or SSD, but that's what they were on, and yes, it took them a long time, but they got there - and they were young at that time. Definitely NOT private disability.

The payoff is just hardly ever worth the energy required to deal with the Feds and pull off really major lies to a succession of health care professionals. Oh, and you also need to get your old employers in on it with you - they have to fill out forms about the quality of your efforts back when you worked for them. In my experience, busy small business owners who I had to go back to and beg them to fill out my form got kind of irritated. They did it because they could see that I needed the help, but otherwise why should they bother?

I suggest you get a new pair of glasses - maybe 3 or 4 of them.

My eyesight is not what it used to be, but the initials making up the acronym are of no consequence. We're communicating.

I have factual experience, and you have the typical naive viewpoint you see in liberals.

At this point I can only congratulate you on what is obviously a deep dedication to maintaining your belief in something which in fact has no basis in reality. It must be really hard to walk around all day with your head up your ass that way - sorry to be so blunt, but I've never read such blatent lies in quite sometime.

In fact, could you do me a little favor and call up my social security caseworker and inform her that she no longer needs to send me those recertification forms each year and that my doctors no longer have to waste their time sending her updates regarding my condition. What a relief it would be to get rid of at least some of that paperwork!

Come to think of it, I'm feeling pretty PO'ed that you never bothered to inform either me or the government of our "bear to the honey" status until just now. No! Instead, a few months ago I had to fill out a 26 page government form - one of the worst paperwork nightmares I have ever seen in my life. It took me almost a MONTH to finish that damn thing, staying up late to get just one more question finished.

I was applying to be allowed admission into a special rehabilitation program which could possibly allow me to become self supporting. The government was so indifferent to my disability status that the director of the program, Carolyn the Fed, called me 5 times - FIVE, I kid you not - LONG Distance, to grill me about the various aspects of my plan and my current abilities. The Feds have also fired off to me 3 envelopes of more forms to be filled out, and 2 or 3 sets of detailed instructions which must be followed to the letter. Otherwise, I will get more fact finding interrogations from Carolyn the Fed. And Carolyn CARES. She cares BIG TIME!

So, in conclusion, thank you for so completely proving that your information is totally unreliable and that your comments are less trustworthy then Urbane Guerilla's - a low that it's almost impossible for anyone else to sink to, but you have done it.

By the process of reducto ad absurdem you have nicely proved my points for me. Good job!

So, what else do you know about the Easter Bunny?

AND for anyone who is honestly curious about the amount of fraud that occurs with the Social Security Administration - including overpaying and UNDERpaying regular Social Security retirement benefits as well as overpayment and UNDERpayment in the SSI/SSDI programs, that amount comes to 2% a year TOTAL. For ALL of the SSA. This was the most recent report as of September 2012. If you enjoy reading stuff that the Government Accounting Office puts out, click on the report here and expect to fall asleep within 5 minutes.

And you know WHY you're getting grilled big time about welfare payments now, don't you?

Way too many people have gone on some form of welfare, since the recession hit -- because Obama's policies to get our economy moving again, have been a colossal failure.

Walked right into that one, didn't you?

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Adak

Obama's policies to get our economy moving again, have been a colossal failure.

Speaking as a European and a Brit, you have no idea how odd that sounds to me.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Adak

Not hardly. Back in the day when investigative reporting meant actually investigating, they showed the guy up working on his clients roofing. In video. He's fully disabled, but he's walking up a ladder, and installing the roofing - no problem.

They who, white man? Wanna tell me what investigative entertainer aired this information and what entity he was affiliated with? Plus when this was reported and where?

Originally Posted by Adak

We're communicating.

Say, WHAT?

Originally Posted by Adak

I have factual experience, and you have the typical naive viewpoint you see in liberals.

Try reading what I and others have posted. I'll put my factual experience against your conservative view that can't get past the nose on your face any day of the week.

Originally Posted by Adak

And you know WHY you're getting grilled big time about welfare payments now, don't you?

Yeah, as a life time recipient of welfare, it ticks me off that they don't seem to trust me anymore. I still have the same imaginary 6 kids just like always. I still never have worked a lick in my entire life and I still use my food stamps to buy me meth just like always. Last week my most recent boyfriend (lost track of some of them - there's been so many) brought me this really cool red leather jacket and matching boots that him and some friends "found" in a house in the fancy part of town.

My boyfriends always bring me nice things. A man who doesn't please his woman is no man of mine. That ain't changed either. I told him I was sick and tired of that stupid cunt assigned to my case and my boyfriend's gonna go have a nice little chat with her. I won't be getting grilled much longer once he does that!

Well, if you'll excuse me I gotta go explain to my home girls how to beat the system and get all the cool stuff I get. A lot of them girls have quit "dating" since I've shown them how much easier it is when we got a bro in the White House now. Makes me feel good that I can help out other folk too and not just be helping myself to all those goodies and not sharing or nothing.

BTW, I do believe you were the one that walked into something. What the hell is that stuff you done drug in on your shoe? Smells like a pee party in here.