Obama vs Romney Debate

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

'Mr. President, nuthin' you've done over the past four years has significantly helped or hindered me, and, nuthin' you've proposed in your campaign (for the next four years) is liable to help or hinder me. Mr. Governor, nuthin' you've proposed in your campaign (for the next four years) will significantly help or hinder me, so, gentlemen, why should I vote for either of you?'

Dude. Dude.

You've made it very clear that you don't want to help anybody and you don't want help from anybody. That's what you're saying you've gotten / will get from both of these guys, not that I agree with your assessment. Flip a fricking coin, though I can't believe you vote at all, it doesn't fit your "independent" character.

My question would be:
The middle class has been sacrificing for the good of the country for the last 30 years. We've seen our real income decrease, government services cut, living expenses increase, and our jobs sent oversees. How are you going to reverse this trend?

[henry quirk]

"You've made it very clear that you don't want to help anybody..."

Not true. I help folks 'I' deem in need...'you' don't get to make that determination for me...certainly, some jackass in government doesn't get to make that determination for me

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"That's what you're saying you've gotten / will get from both of these guys..."

Indeed. What other fuckin' reason is there to vote for any of 'em if not for the potential benefit that candidate might bring if, or when, elected? If you have another reason for voting: I'd like to hear it.

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"I can't believe you vote at all"

Irrelevant whether I do or don't. After a fashion: I'm payin' (like you) the salary of the Number One Public Servant. I think this entitles me (and you) to question a potential (or current) employee.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Oh no, Romney lied about the binders, he didn't ask for them.

What actually happened was that in 2002 — prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration — a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women’s Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.

They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.

Well so what, he still appointed women.

First of all, according to MassGAP and MWPC, Romney did appoint 14 women out of his first 33 senior-level appointments, which is a reasonably impressive 42 percent. However, as I have reported before, those were almost all to head departments and agencies that he didn’t care about — and in some cases, that he quite specifically wanted to not really do anything. None of the senior positions Romney cared about — budget, business development, etc. — went to women.

But he did appoint them.

Secondly, a UMass-Boston study found that the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006.

Um, maybe the the women couldn't hack it because he used the MassGAP list instead of his own.

Third, note that in Romney’s story as he tells it, this man who had led and consulted for businesses for 25 years didn’t know any qualified women, or know where to find any qualified women. So what does that say?

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