Iran's Nuclear Plans

[ZenGum]

Adak, your statements about the amount of money spent on clean energy, and the amount of power it can produce, are as wrong as your one-sided views of the middle east.

I don't mind.

But for the love of all that is decent, stop using apostrophes with plurals.

Please, think of the children.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

Adak, your statements about the amount of money spent on clean energy, and the amount of power it can produce, are as wrong as your one-sided views of the middle east.

I don't mind.

But for the love of all that is decent, stop using apostrophes with plurals.

Please, think of the children.

Yeah, a bad habit I've picked up somewhere along the way. Careful about becoming a grammar Nazi, however!

We've put a huge amount of money into green energy projects. Our national green energy output as a percentage, has increased by about 2-3 %, over a space of a decade.

What really ticks me off about the liberals on this, is that when we DO have a great solar energy project ready to go, they instantly sue to have it stopped, because (in this case), it might impact the desert tortoise!

First, if you can't put a solar energy farm in the Mojave desert (which is practically devoid of wildlife), then WHERE are we going to put them? It is one of the sunniest area's in the entire country.

Second, there is no confirmation that the area proposed even has ONE desert tortoise in it.

Third, the desert tortoise is not an endangered animal, and might benefit from having some shade, under the solar arrays. This is unknown.

But we know the solar project, is stopped! Hooray for the liberals.

Since I haven't yet expressed my views on much of the Middle East, it is impossible for you to say that they are one-sided.
I believe you'll be surprised at how "un one-sided", they really are, once you read them.

The Liberty was impossible to accept as an accident, but I do believe it was criminal on our part to send in a "spy" ship so close to another country, without anything protecting it. We had another intelligence ship seized off the coast of North Korea. Same problem! Stupid Admiral/President, somewhere in Washington. I hope they learned something from these incidents.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Adak

What really ticks me off about the liberals on this, is that when we DO have a great solar energy project ready to go, they instantly sue to have it stopped, because (in this case), it might impact the desert tortoise!

How the fuck do you turn the turtle issue with the government into a "liberal" problem?

First, if you can't put a solar energy farm in the Mojave desert (which is practically devoid of wildlife), then WHERE are we going to put them? It is one of the sunniest area's in the entire country.

I agree this turtle thing is overblown, and not where our priority should be.

Second, there is no confirmation that the area proposed even has ONE desert tortoise in it.

Sigh, and you were doing so well.

At Ivanpah today, 166 adult and juvenile tortoises have been collected and moved to a nine-acre holding facility. The objective is to release them into the "wild," on the other side of the fence from the solar facility.

Third, the desert tortoise is not an endangered animal, and might benefit from having some shade, under the solar arrays. This is unknown.

You're right, not endangered.

The subheadline on an earlier online version of this article erred in describing the desert tortoises as "endangered creatures." As the article notes, the species is classified as threatened.

Both sides knew they were there and negotiated how to work around that from the gitgo, as the dune buggys had already been chased out. It turned out there is a shitload more of them than anyone thought, but a bunch have been run over by trucks and killed by bulldozers.

But we know the solar project, is stopped! Hooray for the liberals.

[Reagan] Now there you go again[/reagan] It ain't liberals, son, get your facts straight.

The Liberty was impossible to accept as an accident, but I do believe it was criminal on our part to send in a "spy" ship so close to another country, without anything protecting it. We had another intelligence ship seized off the coast of North Korea. Same problem! Stupid Admiral/President, somewhere in Washington. I hope they learned something from these incidents.

Would you suggest that our "James Bonds" each take a platoon of Marines with them on missions?
A freighter, clearly flagged American, in international waters, is not fair game. They are no better than the Somali pirates. I've read testimony that they knew it was American, saying so over the radio, at least very shortly after the first attack, but continued to attack, concentrating on the communications antennae.

No, this was a blatant and deliberate attack on the USA, but we still give them $Billions every year, put up with their military/industrial espionage/theft,
and them acting like petulant teenagers. I think they need a time out.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

How the fuck do you turn the turtle issue with the government into a "liberal" problem?

I agree this turtle thing is overblown, and not where our priority should be.
Sigh, and you were doing so well.

The hard core conservation groups are NOT far-left liberal groups? They haven't been anything BUT far left liberal groups, for decades. They didn't start out that way, but they have attracted the hard core lefties, and now they own them.
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You're right, not endangered. Both sides knew they were there and negotiated how to work around that from the gitgo, as the dune buggys had already been chased out. It turned out there is a shitload more of them than anyone thought, but a bunch have been run over by trucks and killed by bulldozers.

[Reagan] Now there you go again[/reagan] It ain't liberals, son, get your facts straight.

Well son, it's damn sure not the conservatives, stopping a much needed multi-million dollar project to bring in more electrical power!

Would you suggest that our "James Bonds" each take a platoon of Marines with them on missions?
A freighter, clearly flagged American, in international waters, is not fair game. They are no better than the Somali pirates. I've read testimony that they knew it was American, saying so over the radio, at least very shortly after the first attack, but continued to attack, concentrating on the communications antennae.

No, this was a blatant and deliberate attack on the USA, but we still give them $Billions every year, put up with their military/industrial espionage/theft,
and them acting like petulant teenagers. I think they need a time out.

I know our spy friends will disagree, but I believe we do NOT need to have close in signal analysis done for Israel, especially when it is on a war footing.

I also don't believe we need to have close in signal analysis done by "freighters", unprotected. Marines? No, I was thinking a cruiser, a sub, and a couple of destroyers, should do the trick.

Ships are closely tracked, and that includes freighters. The idea that a "freighter", will be able to work covertly, is laughable.

If it has a great cover story, like the old Glomar Explorer did when it grabbed part of a sunken Russian sub in a CIA op, then MAYBE if it stays far from the coast, and most of the work is done beneath the waves.

Cultural Jews are typically petulant, imo. It is a strength and a bit of a curse, of their culture. If they're complaining, but not too loudly, then you know everything is A-OK.