North Carolina bans gay marriage, Prez O endorses it!

[classicman]

Totally disagree. People will look back at how ridiculous this is very soon - relatively speaking.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

No one gives a shit about "Gay" marriage.

Then why are so many states going through the trouble of changing their constitutions to ban it? Why are we talking about it? Why did I see a gay guy lecturing a gay bashing bigot holding a sign in front of the White House yesterday? Why do many of my FB friends post about the issue?

A lot of people care a lot about it. You couldn't be more wrong that nobody cares. Are you high?

[DanaC]

What he means is that he doesn't care. Like racism, he sees it as a non-issue. i can only assume because it doesn't personally affect him.

[morethanpretty]

Originally Posted by DanaC

What he means is that he doesn't care. Like racism, he sees it as a non-issue. i can only assume because it doesn't personally affect him.

Its also not a state's rights issue, its a human's rights issue. He's wrong in so many ways.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

No one gives a shit about "Gay" marriage. It is a total distraction. Why? It is a States Rights Issue.

Hate promoted by a political spin machine is not longer working. So the political machine has told their followers to label it a non-issue. To move the issue to where extremists have more influence - at the state level.

It is a sad state that hates gays.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by glatt

Then why are so many states going through the trouble of changing their constitutions to ban it? Why are we talking about it? Why did I see a gay guy lecturing a gay bashing bigot holding a sign in front of the White House yesterday? Why do many of my FB friends post about the issue?

It is a "States Rights Issues" as I stated earlier and as Obama fell back on as an excuse to not take a stand on it from a Federal standpoint. I don't care what individual States do about it. But there is no way you are going to transfer the issue between States and gain legitimacy.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by morethanpretty

Its also not a state's rights issue, its a human's rights issue. He's wrong in so many ways.

Bull shit. Not in the US. Marriage is not mentioned in the US Constitution, therefore it is a States Rights issue.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Marriage is not mentioned in the US Constitution, therefore it is a States Rights issue.

We hold these Truths to be self evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Marriage between any two people is an unalienable Right - except when hate and extremist rhetoric replaces logic. Those unalienable Rights are the fundamentals upon which America was founded.

It is a sad state that promotes hate of gays. Why are you a proud member of such as sad state? Depression? There's a drug for that.

[Lamplighter]

Today's news includes two significant items in the continuing fall out from repeal of DADT last Sept 19th.

Forbes
David DiSalvo
5/19/12

How One Flawed Study Spawned a Decade of Lies

In 2001, Dr. Robert L. Spitzer, psychologist and professor emeritus of Columbia University,
presented a paper at a meeting of the American Psychiatric Association
about something called “reparative therapy” for gay men and women.
By undergoing reparative therapy, the paper claimed, gay men and women could change their sexual orientation.<snip>

Spitzer, now 79-years old, was no stranger to the controversy surrounding his chosen subject.
Thirty years earlier, he had played a leading role in removing
homosexuality from the list of mental disorders in the association’s diagnostic manual.
Clearly, his interest in the topic was more than a passing academic curiosity
– indeed, it wouldn’t be a stretch to say he seemed invested in demonstrating
that homosexuality was changeable, not unlike quitting smoking or giving up ice cream.

Fast forward to 2012, and Spitzer is of quite a different mind.
Last month he told a reporter with The American Prospect that he regretted the 2001 study
and the effect it had on the gay community, and that he owed the community an apology.
And this month he sent a letter to the Archives of Sexual Behavior,
which published his work in 2003, asking that the journal retract his paper.<snip>

The object lesson worth drawing from this story is that just one instance of bad science
given the blessing of recognized experts can lead to years of damaging lies that snowball out of control.
Spitzer cannot be held solely responsible for what happened after his paper was published,
but he’d probably agree now that the study should never have been presented in the first place.

At the very least, his example may help prevent future episodes of the same.

And on a completely different level...

NY Times
MICHAEL BARBARO
May 19, 2012

In Largely Symbolic Move, N.A.A.C.P. Votes to Endorse Same-Sex Marriage

The board of the N.A.A.C.P. voted to endorse same-sex marriage on Saturday,
putting the weight of the country’s most prominent civil rights group behind a cause
that has long divided some quarters of the black community.<snip>

All but two of the organization’s board members, who include many religious leaders,
backed a resolution supporting same-sex marriage, according to people told of the decision.

Borrowing a term used by gay rights advocates, the resolution stated,
“We support marriage equality consistent with equal protection under the law
provided under the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution.”
In a statement, Roslyn M. Brock, chairwoman of the 64-member board, said,
“We have and will oppose efforts to codify discrimination into law.”

Maxim Thorne, a former high-ranking official with the organization,
said that “for certain people, it was a very long evolution and a very long process
of reconciling their faith with this, and coming to a very civil rights understanding
of marriage equality versus a theological understanding of marriage.”

[xoxoxoBruce]

No one gives a shit about "Gay" marriage.

Except those that want to marry but can't, and the religious right, I think that's pretty much true.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Bull shit. Not in the US. Marriage is not mentioned in the US Constitution, therefore it is a States Rights issue.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Bull shit. Not in the US. Marriage is not mentioned in the US Constitution, therefore it is a States Rights issue.

Originally Posted by Earl Warren, Loving v. Virginia

Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State.

[xoxoxoBruce]

tw pointed out it's a distraction... so did Merc.
I said the religious right is concentrating on Congress, Governorships, and State legislators.

The 2012 election should be about what’s going on in America’s boardrooms, but Republicans would rather it be about America’s bedrooms.

Mitt Romney says he’s against same-sex marriage; President Obama just announced his support. North Carolina voters have approved a Republican-proposed amendment to the state constitution banning same-sex marriage. Minnesota voters will be considering a similar amendment in November. Republicans in Maryland and Washington State are seeking to overturn legislative approval of same-sex marriage there.

Meanwhile, Republicans have introduced over four hundred bills in state legislatures aimed at limiting womens’ reproductive rights – banning abortions, requiring women seeking abortions to have invasive ultra-sound tests beforehand, and limiting the use of contraceptives.

The Republican bedroom crowd doesn’t want to talk about the nation’s boardrooms because that’s where most of their campaign money comes from. And their candidate for president has made a fortune playing board rooms like checkers.

Yet America’s real problems have nothing to do with what we do in our bedrooms and everything to do with what top executives do in their boardrooms and executive suites.

the rest

[glatt]

Thanks Bruce. good reminder

[Cyber Wolf]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I said the religious right is concentrating on Congress, Governorships, and State legislators.

This guy must not have gotten that memo... his focus on is the Presidency.

Regarding NC's official anti-gay rights stance, it didn't take long for a pastor to publicly go so far around the bend that he's gonna rear-end it.