I almost to the point....

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Actually public schooling, per child, is usually about twice the cost of private schooling. In Pennsylvania this became so embarrassing that the legislature once ordered the reported numbers of per-child spending to be cut by a third using accounting methods.

This also means that, if you are a fan of public schools, you should be very happy with the people who decide not to use them. They don't cut the budget just because Timmy doesn't show up. The rest of the pupils get that dough and a better teacher-student ratio.

My out of pocket for three kids in school was about $6,000/year. Can you name a private school where it costs $6,000 for 3 kids?

Originally Posted by Undertoad

In a teacher-student ratio of as little as 1:1. That turns out to work well:

...homeschoolers, on the average, out-performed their counterparts in the public schools by 30 to 37 percentile points in all subjects. A significant finding when analyzing the data for 8th graders was the evidence that homeschoolers who are homeschooled two or more years score substantially higher than students who have been homeschooled one year or less. source

That's in today's situation, where home schooling is a choice. I'll bet home schooled kids today are from households with at a least a college educated parent/teacher. Homeschooling will be the only option for low income families. Many many kids will be schooled by inadequately prepared parents.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

My out of pocket for three kids in school was about $6,000/year. Can you name a private school where it costs $6,000 for 3 kids?

The actual cost of educating your three kids was $39,615 ($13,205 each) source

In other words, you paid $6000 per year and the government paid another $33,615 per year.

Can you name a private school where it costs $6,000 for 3 kids?

Yes, there are many that are free. Free ones tend to be in worse-off areas because, naturally, if you have income people expect you to pay to your ability.

But just in non-Philly SEPA?

Private school is generally much cheaper K-8 than 9-12 BUT, if you were Catholic (just because it's easier to find those numbers), you could have sent them all to St Pius X in Broomall for K-8 for $7,750 and saved the government all that money.

The kids would have gotten a better education and the taxpayers a huge break, but hey! You saved like a thou per year!

Then if you wanted to continue to be considerate, you could have sent them to Cardinal O'Hara for $11,700 per year ($3900 each) for 9-12. That would have only saved government only $21,915 per year.

The joke's on you now, because as a taxpayer you will continue to spend money out of pocket every year to educate your neighbor's kids. And those little snots aren't learning shit.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

In other words, you paid $6000 per year and the government paid another $33,615 per year.

No, my community (up to and including the US) paid the rest.

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Yes, there are many that are free. Free ones tend to be in worse-off areas because, naturally, if you have income people expect you to pay to your ability.

All parents/guardians are expected to contribute financially to their child’s tuition

Wouldn't be free for my kids.

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Private school is generally much cheaper K-8 than 9-12 BUT, if you were Catholic (just because it's easier to find those numbers), you could have sent them all to St Pius X in Broomall for K-8 for $7,750 and saved the government all that money.

The kids would have gotten a better education and the taxpayers a huge break, but hey! You saved like a thou per year!

Then if you wanted to continue to be considerate, you could have sent them to Cardinal O'Hara for $11,700 per year ($3900 each) for 9-12. That would have only saved government only $21,915 per year.

"Catholic school" is "better education"? I don't think so, especially when they teach you that you aren't responsible for anything, the father figure in the sky that controls everything is.

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The joke's on you now, because as a taxpayer you will continue to spend money out of pocket every year to educate your neighbor's kids.

It's my pleasure to contribute to the good of the community and the continued success of our great nation.

Originally Posted by Undertoad

And those little snots aren't learning shit.

'Cause they're going to catholic school.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

"Catholic school" is "better education"? I don't think so, especially when they teach you that you aren't responsible for anything, the father figure in the sky that controls everything is.

I have two atheistic children in Catholic school. They are receiving a far superior education than their public school counterparts for about $6k each. I'll stand with UT on this. I went to a bad public school. Someone else will have to defend them.

[JBKlyde]

I don't think it's right to "suck off" the system and that's what a lot of people do. With larger government comes the people who "work" the system. The only way for Big Systems to work' is to work' the system and most people don't. Just acknowledge that Jesus loves the church in Philly and bow at the feet of the people who run the church and this whole thing will make since.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Griff

I have two atheistic children in Catholic school. They are receiving a far superior education than their public school counterparts for about $6k each. I'll stand with UT on this. I went to a bad public school. Someone else will have to defend them.

There are good and bad public and private schools. My 3 kids have received a superior education in a public school, for $6k combined.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

My 3 kids have received a superior education in a public school, for $6k combined.

$39,615 per year combined

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

$39,615 per year combined

Where does this number come from, if it is the cost of the education in public school it proves throwing money at it problem does not work.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

<snip>
The joke's on you now, because as a taxpayer you will continue
to spend money out of pocket every year to educate your neighbor's kids.
And those little snots aren't learning shit.

If someone does send their children to private school and
pays whatever tuition is charged, do they not still pay
the (property ?) taxes that support their public schools
... and all those little snots that are your neighbors ?

[Sundae]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The joke's on you now, because as a taxpayer you will continue to spend money out of pocket every year to educate your neighbor's kids. And those little snots aren't learning shit.

I paid for other people's children for approx 20 years.
I didn't think the joke was on me.
Why? Because the next generation was getting an education and was legally required to be shut up somewhere from 09.00-15.00 (approx) five days a week.

Why would anyone want the next generation to be poorly educated or completely uneducated and potentially free to roam the streets from age 5?! Truancy is already a problem for some children, but at least schools can work closely with local Councils thanks to minimise it.

I accept some children are home-schooled well. But as Spexx says, that's usually by educated parents, or at least in homes where parents can survive on one income. I shudder to think of the social divide that would be created by the withdrawal of free education.

But then the idea has always horrifed me, since I first came across it here.
I had no concept it was even an option in a developed country.