Wall Street Protests

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/im..._stat_comp.pdf

http://www.examiner.com/conservative...-up-18-percent

Ok, we can play quote a % game

The Police Report for the Downtown District of Savannah shows
a 15 % increase in violent crimes (YTD 2011 over YTD 2010).

Week ending 11/5/11 Violent Crimes up 15%
---------------Homicide----Rape---Robbery---Assaults-----Total
YTD 2011---------6---------6---------113---------56---------191
YTD 2010---------4---------3----------12---------69---------165

Did the 2-day Occupy Savannah event cause this 15% increase in violent crime ?
Of course not.

With respect to your link to PDX, it is just such a headline that I have been saying is misleading.
That report covers PDX Police Districts 832, 840 and 850.
These are shown in the pic below.
Those three areas make up the entire downtown Portand business district, inside the freeways.

Everyone can interpret the map as they please, but it's my opinion that
if Occupy Portland caused such an increase,
it would surely appear as a different pattern on the map above,
centered on the encampment area.

The number for District # 830 only could be more informative.
Although there were 0 "trespass" cases in 2010, I'm reasonably sure
the 37 cases in 2011 cases are connected to Occupy PDX.
Those are almost half of the total (90) used to get the 18%

Merc, my hope is that you're take another look at these links,
and maybe change your views a bit.... Sure, that'll happen !
.

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

Most of the people at Occupy movements are there with the aim of saving society, not preying upon it. The actions of a few, who may just be using the crowd for their own purposes, should not blind us to that.



ETA: actually came here to say ... feel the love, man:
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nice

[Lamplighter]

I've been up since 5:30 watching the Occupy Portland coverage on TV.
It's was reported that the police sent a few officers into the encampment
at midnight, telling the people to leave the park.
The police lined up in riot gear in the crosswalk of east-west Madison St.
The crowd was in the street of north-south 3rd Ave.

This apparently went on from midnight until 6 am,
when the police told the crowd to get back on the sidewalk
and apparently gave permission to go back into the park !

Within just a few minutes, 3rd Ave was clear.
A crew with buckets from the crowd walked along the street picking up debris.
The crowd began laughing and chanting to a drumbeat.
"WHO'S BLOCKING THE STREET NOW "

After about 20 minutes, the police were still in the line across Madison.
Protesters on bicycles started riding up 3rd Ave along with a few cars.
Then a larger number of bicyclists came down Madison across 3rd to the police line.
They obeyed the traffic signals... and the police line broke away and they proceeded on down Madison.
As the police line broke up, the crowd started cheering and chanting:
"YOU'RE PART OF THE 99 PERCENT"

One officer was injured in the leg during the night, taken away in an ambulance.
Police Lt King did an on-mic interview saying "He is recovering".
All in all, the whole thing seems to have been non-violent.
A few protesters were arrested during the night.

The odd thing is the crowds have gone back into the city park.
Some of the barriers in the park are being taken down
Lt King spoke about this saying "Eventually they will go home"

It's 6:45 and the area seems crowded, but peaceful.
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[Lamplighter]

At 7:00 am, the media are interviewing themselves.

The protestors have signs and are tweeting "VICTORY"
The Mayor is thanking the police for their service
Crews from Occupy PDX are putting trash into dumpsters
Traffic is flowing on the streets.

The best descriptive I've heard is the atmosphere is "relaxed"

[infinite monkey]

Thanks for the perspective, lamp.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Ok, we can play quote a % game

Everyone can interpret the map as they please, but it's my opinion that if Occupy Portland caused such an increase, it would surely appear as a different pattern on the map above, centered on the encampment area.

A greater amount of policing of the Occupy area leads to a greater amount of crime outside the Occupy area. Here's an Open Letter from the Oakland cops to Occupy Oakland explaining why Occupy Oakland is bad for Oakland.

As you watched a massive section of the Portland police force trying to oust protesters this morning, where were those cops not working? What happened to the response time for crimes happening outside those districts? Or were the police paid overtime for this effort?

Merc, my hope is that you're take another look at these links,
and maybe change your views a bit.... Sure, that'll happen !

"And you MUST change your views because it is NOT POSSIBLE that I am wrong."

[DanaC]

But maybe the answer to that problem is for the police to stop focusing so heavily on the relatively peaceful camp of protestors, and instead go clean up crime in the rest of the city.

[Undertoad]

It's not peaceful. We just want it to be because that's the narrative.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

It's not peaceful. We just want it to be because that's the narrative.

UT, I invite you to watch the news media on today's developments in PDX.

If I have misrepresented these events in PDX, I'll apologize to everyone.

[Undertoad]

You misunderstand me sir

[henry quirk]

The 'occupancy' movement seems to be making a shift from the rather muddled agenda of pouting about debbil rich-folks to 'let's hunker down 'here' because we can and want to'.

That is: 'occupancy' seems less and less about 'we are the 99%' and more and more about 'I wanna sit, stand, squat, 'here', so, make me move'.

[infinite monkey]

Gimme gimme gimme. That's all I hear from them. They stand there holding their hands out, expecting someone to just plop stuff in it.

No, I'm not talking about the poor, or the rapidly disappearing middle class, but the put-upon and downtrodden millionaires.

As Congress wrestles with how to bring down the historically high budget deficit, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) today released a report that showed that under the current tax code, millionaires are receiving billions in federal aid.

“From tax write-offs for gambling losses, vacation homes, and luxury yachts to subsidies for their ranches and estates, the government is subsidizing the lifestyles of the rich and famous,” Corburn said in a release accompanying the report. “Multi-millionaires are even receiving government checks for not working.”

These billions of dollars for millionaires include $74 million of unemployment checks, $316 million in farm subsidies, $89 million for preservation of ranches and estates, $9 billion of retirement checks, $75.6 million in residential energy tax credits and $7.5 million to compensate for damages caused by emergencies to property that should have been insured, according to Coburn’s report.

In total, more than $9.5 billion in government benefits have been paid to millionaires since 2003, the report said. Additionally, millionaires borrowed $16 million in government-backed education loans to attend college. On average, each year, the report found that millionaires enjoy benefits from tax giveaways and federal grant programs totaling $30 billion. As a result, almost 1,500 millionaires paid no federal income tax in 2009.

“We should never demonize those who are successful,” Coburn’s report said. “Nor should we pamper them with unnecessary welfare to create an appearance everyone is benefiting from federal programs.

“The cost of this largess will thus be shared by those struggling today and the next generation who will inherit $15 trillion of debt that threatens the future of the American Dream,” the report said. “These consequences are the results of shortsighted spending and tax policies like those outlined in this report that should be eliminated.”

http://www.rollcall.com/news/coburn_...-210282-1.html

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Merc, my hope is that you're take another look at these links,
and maybe change your views a bit.... Sure, that'll happen !
.

Well I did enjoy watching them getting kicked out at 1 am in the morning. Does that count?

[TheMercenary]

The only 1% these fools should be protesting against are the less than 1% that are members of Congress, past and present.

[TheMercenary]

Boortz Rocks.

Right up until the point where they were told to go home, the Occutards in Manhattan were preparing for “a block party the 1% will never forget.” This block party was to take place on Thursday and was expected to be huge with help of their labor union partners. Yup, the AFL-CIO, the Service Employees International Union and the Laborers’ International Union of North America will take part in Thursday’s “day of action,” where they intended to shut down Wall Street by holding a street carnival.
Occupy Wall Street spokesman Ed Needham said, "I think we're certainly going into this with our eyes wide open, but (the march is) to provoke ideas and discussion, not to provoke any violent reactions.” Too bad the Occupiers seem to be “better” at provoking violence than they do provoking ideas or solutions or rational discussion.
I’m sure Obama’s Children will be announcing some time today that they’re going to go ahead with their shut down Wall Street protest on Thursday – without their tents, sleeping bags, empathy tables and STD testing facilities.
Meanwhile, Occutard antics were costing small businesses and therefore affecting workers.
According to the New York Post, since the Occupy Wall Street movement began in Zuccotti Park on September 17, protestors have cost surrounding businesses $479,400. Local jewelry shops, restaurants, and beauty salons complain that aggressive signs and reports of violence have dissuaded patrons from visiting their establishments – essentially driving struggling small companies out of business…
The rising costs of running water, toiletries, and repairs have skyrocketed in recent months as occupiers liberally use bathrooms as their own personal washrooms and destroy company property. Meanwhile, businesses are often required to stay open later – especially coffee shops – when intransigent protestors refuse to leave after closing. Alas, this leads inevitably to higher staffing costs. The expenditures are currently estimated at more than $9,000 a day!

Boortz