Wall Street Protests

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Those folks in LA are really doing the protests justice.
When is the Rape count going to go up?

I agree with Merc, those folks in LA are really doing the protests justice...
His question about rape is just Merc being silly

In reverse chronological order:

Nov 3, 2011

It has been one month since the Los Angeles General Assembly
began occupying City Hall in Los Angeles, California.

The "Occupy Movement" as a whole, starting with Occupy Wall St, has
already made considerable headway and have accomplished much:
we have altered the dialectic of the mainstream media,
we have applied pressure to all branches of government to reflect
the will of the people, and has expanded rapidly.

On November 5th, we will do everything we can to
shut down all major investment banks with a nation-wide boycott.
On November 11th, we will take to the streets en masse.
The global revolution is at hand.
We will keep growing until we have world-wide consensus.

Nov 2. 2011

The number of protesters and tents occupying L.A.’s City Hall grounds
has doubled since the occupation began the first weekend in October,
and strong support from local unions has strengthened the action.
While there has been no clear decision made in the Occupy L.A. General Assembly
on how the movement would react to an attempt to repress the occupation,
many are already mobilizing for solidarity actions with the Oakland movement on Nov. 2.

Oct 26, 2011

In response to Mayor Villaraigosa's and other CA officials
comments made earlier today regarding Occupy LA:

We have enjoyed a very good relationship with the City of Los Angeles,
whose council 2 weeks ago announced their support for Occupy LA.
As recently as this morning, Councilman Rosendahl reconfirmed his support of the occupiers.
We sincerely hope that a positive working relationship between city officials and the LAPD continues.
We appreciate Mayor Villaraigosa's statement of respect and Senator Feinstein
for acknowledging our first amendment rights.

[Lamplighter]

How's this for coincidence...

Michael Moore was on national TV today, talking about his experiences this week,
visiting some of the various Occupy XXXX sites across the country.

When asked about the "violence" his response was two-fold.
First, he said the various Occupy groups are all opposed to violence,
and were taking steps to avoid and stop it.
Secondly, he said that if you see someone vandalizing or deliberately breaking the law,
you can be reasonably sure they are outside the movement,
and are probably infiltrating the group to stir up trouble.
Maybe they are anarchists, maybe vandals, maybe something else.

Then...the lead segments tonight on local TV news...

The "real" Occupy Portland has abandoned the downtown
encampment because it has lost it's sense of direction.

Interviews with 4 people who claim to be the "real" Occupy Portland,
say the movement is no longer focused, and they have left the encampment,
and that they are taking up collections to help the homeless.
The four say the encampment is filled with homeless and rats,
and that the "real" Occupy Portland is no longer able to stay there.
The TV reporter repeatedly addresses these four people as the "real" Occupy Portland.

The next news segment is that the Portland Police Union (not PDX Police) announces
"it has lost patience with the homeless who are now occupying the encampment area",
The Police Union is urging everyone to write to the Mayor and City Council
to have the area cleared immediately.

Now, what do we think is going to happen next ?
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[classicman]

Dunno, but Moore flying around to visit all the different sites isn't helping, in my estimation. He is as divisive as they come.

[Pico and ME]

He's not divisive, he just has a strong viewpoint and a strong following. Fahrenheit 9/11 was the highest-grossing documentary of all time, and Bowling for Columbine and Sicko also place in the top ten highest-grossing documentaries. If you truly listened to him you might even agree with him sometimes.

The people who hate him aren't ever gonna listen anyway. You know, people like merc.

[classicman]

He is extremely divisive. How well his movies did has zero to do with that.
I do agree with him on some things. Again, irrelevant.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Dunno, but Moore flying around to visit all the different sites isn't helping, in my estimation. He is as divisive as they come.

The movement appears to have an even bigger problem. Clinton defined it weeks ago on a talk show. The movement needs a message. It has not defined a specific problem or enemy. A general dislike of something vague called Wall Street, although pointed in a right direction, does not define an actual problem(s) or enemy.

As happened so often even during Martin Luther King's marches, anarchist may try to subvert or confiscate a movement. This movement has also had those same people. Anarchy (ie the G-8 in Seattle) harms the message and public image. Surprisingly, without a specific message and even with some anarchy, this movement still survives.

Pollsters are also detecting the foundation of another movement. Unusual extreme hate has been detected in another group. Some oldest voters who are typically Republicans are expressing more than just opinions on what has happened to the nation. Nothing from this group has yet jelled into an actual movement or demonstrations. But the emotions exist to make it possible.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by tw

Pollsters are also detecting the foundation of another movement. Unusual extreme hate has been detected in another group. Some oldest voters who are typically Republicans are expressing more than just opinions on what has happened to the nation. Nothing from this group has yet jelled into an actual movement or demonstrations. But the emotions exist to make it possible.

Could you give us a link?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Pico and ME

He's not divisive, he just has a strong viewpoint and a strong following. Fahrenheit 9/11 was the highest-grossing documentary of all time, and Bowling for Columbine and Sicko also place in the top ten highest-grossing documentaries.

Whereas he did not identify the underlying details, Michael Moore did identify the overall attitude and symptoms that would finally result in a GM bankruptcy. The documentary was called Roger and Me. It showed consequences of those major and ignored problems. Including the ridiculous solutions implemented to accomplish nothing.

Sometimes serious problems take that long to be corrected by bankruptcy. Eastman Kodak is an ongoing example of how long problems can be ignored until even the spread sheets finally identify it. Moore had accurately identified or discussed many serious problems. Some of those problems would rather be ignored by many as non- problems or someone else's problem.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by tw

The movement appears to have an even bigger problem. Clinton defined it weeks ago on a talk show. The movement needs a message. It has not defined a specific problem or enemy. A general dislike of something vague called Wall Street, although pointed in a right direction, does not define an actual problem(s) or enemy.

I believe if you check out Occupy Wall Street's Call to Action, you'll get a pretty clear idea of the message.

[Lamplighter]

Sam, were you just being ironic with that link ?



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[tw]

Originally Posted by SamIam

Could you give us a link?

Sorry. It was a radio report that summarized a recent poll. Do not even remember which news service was reporting it. Maybe NPR. Maybe ABC. But that factoid caught my attention. It is a type of fact that, by itself, is only rumor. But from a source responsible enough that the rumor should be watched for in future polls.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Sam, were you just being ironic with that link ?



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Yep. When I originally bookmarked it, it was a form to send an e-mail to the Representative in question. Then when I tried to click on it later - poof! It had vanished. Go figure.

Say, wasn't that in the Third Party thread?

[tw]

This is probably SamIam's missing Call to Action.

[SamIam]

LOL! Are we all having trouble with links today or what?

[classicman]

try this one
She just put it in wrong.

ETA - missed the posts in between ... AGAIN.