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[Happy Monkey]

I'm not certain you do get it. You seem to follow each claim that you get it with something that is directly counter to it.

Originally Posted by classicman

The political spin and the other crap THEY keep spewing just boils down to one thing.
Lives are NOT equal in value.
Syrian Lives are not as valuable in this situation - Period.

No, the lives are as valuable, but the costs are higher.

Originally Posted by classicman

My opinion matters not. I'd rather discuss the original question. being "simple minded" and all.

(this is the point)

US analysis determines: Getting involved in Syria is not worth the potential risk. Therefore Syrian lives are not worth as much as Libyan's.

No matter how it is spun, the end result in this equation is that
Syrian Lives < Libyan Lives.

I also believe this may change drastically for any number of reasons. It is a fluid situation.

No, Syrian lives = Libyan lives, but the cost of intervening in Syria is higher.

Originally Posted by classicman

I understand that glatt. But Mr. Unbalanced cannot seem to grasp that basic concept.

Syria is not worth the risk for a multitude of reasons, correct?
Therefore, the lives that are being lost in Syria are not worth getting involved.

For WHATEVER REASON(s) (not important)
it has been determined that Libya IS worth the risk.
Therefore, the lives in Libya ARE worth getting involved.

"worth getting involved" is not a constant. The cost of getting involved is different in each case, so WHATEVER REASON is important.

Let's say that we get involved if the value is a "worth units (WU)". And let's say that the value of saving Syrians is equal to the value of saving Libyans, at b WU. The cost of saving Syrians is s WU, and the cost of saving Libyans is l WU.

If b-s > a, we save Syrians.
If b-l > a, we save Libyans.

Libyans and Syrians are worth the same, but the circumstances can still result in different outcomes.

Just because one thing is "worth it", and another isn't, doesn't mean that they have different worths, they could have different "its".

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by classicman

It comes back to: Why are Libyan lives worth more than Syrian lives?

They aren't, neither one is worth jack-shit... neither is yours, or mine.

We're talking about nations and their actions.
If a foreign nation kills you, do you think the US would react? Probably, but not because they give a rat's ass about you, only because the US has been insulted.
If the US kills you, would other nations do something about it? Not a chance, not just because they'd get their ass kicked, but because they don't care.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

No, Syrian lives = Libyan lives, but the cost of intervening in Syria is higher.

Oh, I see, since it is easier to bomb the shit out of the easy target go for them. Would hate to piss off Iran by bombing the shit out of Syria. That is a bullshit excuse.

Maximum effective range of an Excuse is Zero Meters....

[DanaC]

He wasn't offering it as an excuse. He was just demonstrating that the decision to intervene in Libya and not intervene in Syria does not mean that Syrian lives are worth more than Libyan lives, but that the 'cost', in whatever terms that is measured, of saving them is not equal.

[classicman]

thanks HM - It was fun while it lasted.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by classicman

Period.

That's a shame. It says "I'm not willing to concede my position no matter how right you are".

Originally Posted by classicman

Syrian Lives < Libyan Lives.

Not according to this

Nation Value
Algeria 6
Bahrain 14
Egypt 249
Iran 3
Iraq 22
Lebanon 1,456
Libya 87
Oman 43
Qatar 192
Syria 99
UAE 222
Yemen -46

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by DanaC

He wasn't offering it as an excuse. He was just demonstrating that the decision to intervene in Libya and not intervene in Syria does not mean that Syrian lives are worth more than Libyan lives, but that the 'cost', in whatever terms that is measured, of saving them is not equal.

How does the differ from what I stated?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

That's a shame.

And you, of all people, have given a shit about my opinions since when?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by classicman

And you, of all people, have given a shit about my opinions since when?

Stop stalking me.

[BigV]

Please, gentlemen.

A little adult restraint please? Are you sowing what you wish to reap? The golden rule applies equally in both directions.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by BigV

.... equally in both directions.

ORLY? I've been in this discussion for quite some time - He comes in at the end, avoids the topic and comments on my post ... Spare me.

[infinite monkey]

Welcome back to Romper Room.

[BigV]

I don't know how you read my remark, but I meant it in this way. The golden rule, treat others as you'd like to be treated. If you treat others with disdain, you are asking to be disrespected. Of course, it works in a *positive* direction, too.

Naturally, the other interpretation of "both directions" meaning applying to both parties equally is also valid.

[classicman]

The conversation was clearly exhausted in post #110.
DH wants to stir shit up with nothing to offer on the topic and then the "stalk shit starts. . .followed with "humor"... too predictable. Spare me...

BigV your intentions may be in the right place, but this ones not mine.

[classicman]

Amnesty International reveals to Channel 4 News that it has the names of 77 children killed in the recent violence, plus reports of a third child tortured to death.

The human rights group Amnesty International has revealed to Channel 4 News that they have the names of 77 children killed during 3 months of unrest in Syria.

Senior Syria researcher Neil Sammonds said out of 1060 known deaths of civilians in Syria, nearly ten per-cent were children, more than doubling UNICEF's previous estimate of 30 on June 1st.

"We have definitely seen a pattern of increased brutality recently, we've documented around 20 cases where there are signs of torture, and those cases are coming out more frequently now. It seems security forces are now willing to use violence without provocation at all," he said.

The details emerged as new video footage was released showing the mutilated body of 15-year-old Thamer al-Sahri, who was arrested at a protest in April in Saida near Deraa. He was detained alongside his friend 13-year-old Hamza al-Khateeb. Video images of Hamza's mutilated body caused international outrage when they became public last week.

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