Wild West Politics?

[Pico and ME]

I'm really ambivalent about the gun issue, but I thought this was relevant.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by glatt

I notice you didn't answer the question.

I addressed a current event about specific people in a particular situation. You tried to extrapolate that into a gross generality that's better suited to a pro-gun VS anti-gun thread the likes of which have already been done here ad nauseum. You simply weren't astute enough to realize that I'm not going to debate that here.

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

No, it's NOT like saying anything of the sort.
Plainclothes, or any other LE authority, have a badge or some ID to display. ...

Anybody can buy a stinkin' badge. Do you really think they're going to take the time to authenticate each other's credentials while under fire?

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

... Except as you sort of said, yourself, when they do something stupid !
If LE can't always get it right, how to expect the CCL's to do so.

I think you're projecting your own inabilities to process relevant information under such circumstances, to make timely and accurate judgment calls, on others. That's not an uncommon trait in the elderly.

[Pico and ME]

I think you're projecting your own inabilities to process relevant information under such circumstances, to make timely and accurate judgment calls, on others. That's not an uncommon trait in the elderly.

You're not really addressing his concern. I thought the same thing as Lamp.

(edited: I gotta stop pushing the reply button so quickly)

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Pico and ME

... I thought the same thing as Lamp. ...

[the Doctor] I'm so sorry. [/the Doctor]

[Pico and ME]

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by sexobon

I addressed a current event about specific people in a particular situation. You tried to extrapolate that into a gross generality that's better suited to a pro-gun VS anti-gun thread the likes of which have already been done here ad nauseum. You simply weren't astute enough to realize that I'm not going to debate that here.


Anybody can buy a stinkin' badge. Do you really think they're going to take the time to authenticate each other's credentials while under fire?


I think you're projecting your own inabilities to process relevant information under such circumstances, to make timely and accurate judgment calls, on others. That's not an uncommon trait in the elderly.

Ouch !
Ouch !
Double Ouch!

Sorry sexobon. Us elderly do have our faults.
Guess I'll have to stay on the "What's making you happy today" thread.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by sexobon

You simply weren't astute enough to realize that I'm not going to debate that here.

I'm sorry footfootfoot, I just can't do it. Even with an insult to respond to.

What's wrong with me?

[sexobon]

... Arrrghhh, you got me Lamp. Give my boots to glatt and bury me in Nothingland. It'd be nice if ME would shed a tear and Pico didn't piss on my grave (and vice versa).

[xoxoxoBruce]

I see the problem with guns, is the same as with cars, most of the people that have them don't know how to handle them properly. Lack of knowledge, training and practice, under the assumption they are competent until they prove otherwise.

[Griff]

Could you explain it to me using a metaphor involving a four wheel drive being driven by tw?

[tw]

Originally Posted by sexobon

I admire your skill with rhetorical questions.

glatt accurately described what you posted. They deserved to be harmed because they were not packing. That was your claim.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

There is no psychological test for gun ownership because that would be unthinkable.

Employees at Wal-mart refused to sell him ammunition because they considered him that dangerous. It was that obvious. Wal-mart employees may have been sued for not making the sale. But refused to do so anyway.

Unfortunately, he just kept going to Wal-Marts until he found one that would sell him the ammo.

[DanaC]

I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this is repeating anything someone else has said:

What is the difference between the revolutionary violent rhetoric in those banners and the banners being waved in London by muslims protesting against the Dutch cartoons?

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by sexobon

It's interesting that while the Congresswoman advocated (according to reports) concealed carry in a State that permits it, neither the Congresswoman nor anyone in her entourage appears to have availed themselves of this means of protecting themselves; or, their constituency! While the element of surprise would have still kept the Congresswoman from being saved from harm, the others who were injured and killed might have been spared if someone, anyone, had been in a viable position to respond to a lethal threat without having to wait for the perpetrator to stop and reload.

Everyone knows that such public gatherings enhance the targetability of those attending; so, it appears that the Congresswoman simply didn't consider personnel security to be her duty even though she had the right to own it. If she and her entourage had been known to exercise that right, this incident might not have occurred. I suppose it's like when people who have the right to vote just don't want to bother with getting out and voting; or, otherwise rationalize leaving the outcome to others. They just don't consider it to be their civic duty.

So, public figures using violent allegory to rouse their supporters to heights of political passion is just the exercising of rights to free expression, but the victim in an assassination attempt is irresponsible for not carrying a firearm?

Forgive me for my bluntness but that really sounds off kilter to me. I also really don;t see how you can draw any kind of equivalence between responsibly taking part in the democratic process through voting, and carrying a weapon.

[tw]

Originally Posted by DanaC

What is the difference between the revolutionary violent rhetoric in those banners and the banners being waved in London by muslims protesting against the Dutch cartoons?

Are the Imams preaching hate and violence in the mosques? You may not see it. But that is what Limbaugh, Hannity, Fox News, et al are preaching. Limbaugh's routine attacks on Hillary in the 1990s left me surprised that gunmen were not waiting for her in many states. The hate promoted by Fox News easily matches and probably exceeds that broadcast by early 1960s Radio Moscow. Hate is also why Colin Powell’s wife terminated his presidential ambitions.

That AZ Sherriff was right on the money. He was talking about the same hate routinely preached by Likud to get Rabin assassinated. They got what they wanted. Same attitude is preached by our wackos.

Classicman intentionally tried to post my personal information in order to encourage harm to me. If you did not know it, he was stopped by (I believe) UT. Why? I repeatedly accuse him of promoting hate and extremism. So emotions replaced logic. Same has become so common in the last 15 years that, well, that attitude even inspired Timothy McVeigh. They did not tell him what to do. Just encouraged the attitude. Promoting hate is how extremists get empowered. Why Christine O’Donnell set records for campaign contributions.

So, you tell me. Are the Imams promoting hate in mosques? That is where a problem most likely lies if it exists. Is what you see on the street a symptom of a dangerous source? Or just isolated venting overplayed by the local gossip?